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thank you

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hey guys Ryan Sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to a

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live stream tonight of somewhere in the

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skies and you know what happens when you

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go live there's always technical issues

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so thanks for sticking around thanks for

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your patience guys um unfortunately

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Jazz's camera is not working I think

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it's the Men in Black Will get his

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opinion on that in just a sec but um

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we've got him by Audio so we're still

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gonna have the the amazing conversation

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we're gonna have even without video I've

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got an image of them so we'll pop that

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up every now and again so you get to see

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that lovely lovely face that a lot of

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you haven't seen in a while I'm I I

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Jazz has been a solo guest on the show

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he has contributed to a couple of my top

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episodes we've done but I think this

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might be and he'll correct me if I'm

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wrong the first time he's officially Our

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Guest on the show and we're going to be

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talking about really to

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um really to UFO cases that I don't

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um but are super interesting and caught

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my attention and these came in the form

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of two debrief articles that jazz wrote

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over at the debrief.org uh so we're

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going to be talking about the mysterious

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incident 88 tonight and also the 1994

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sure some of you are familiar with after

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unseld Mysteries covered this but we're

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gonna get Jazz's take on both of these

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things and uh talk everything UFOs so

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without further Ado let's bring him in

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by Audio Jazz Shaw welcome back to

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somewhere in the skies my man

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Ryan thank you for having me and you are

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correct this is the first time we ever

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one-on-one interview with me for our

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Network before but I haven't been on

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your show by myself that's right yeah

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it's been it's been a while I I do

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remember that that's when the new

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edition of my book had just dropped so I

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have to thank you for that as well my

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um well let's you know before we get to

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the two kind of major stories that I

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want to talk to you about these awesome

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articles that you dropped over at the

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debrief I do want to get your your

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thoughts since you and I haven't spoken

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um A lot's happened in the UFO world

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including the UAP report finally

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was it everything you expected or

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nothing you expected what what do you

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have for us jazz in terms of the UAP

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know our mutual friend John greenwald's

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very bureaucratic but that's required

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the rug you know they only just they're

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heard in the background that uh there

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arrow and there's been private reports

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that they've given to the applicable

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committees where allegedly they've

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really wants a deep dive you guys

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things he's reading between the lines

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interested you want to go check that out

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if I can get myself back in here sorry

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yep there you are sorry can you hear me

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um I I can highly recommend Micah's take

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whole Avenue no one's even touched yet

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tandem with this the National Defense

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authorization act the wording that was

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agreements or you know stuff like that

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Trinity case but what are your thoughts

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this well I I had two thoughts on that

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the people in Arrow and the people in

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the congressional committees are hearing

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about it because they do want to study

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podcasts or anything you know all the

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everything was really just kicking into

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gear that they want to look at that too

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and maybe it's something that we don't

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by the way not not to interrupt you that

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yes at all there I am hey there we go I

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this new way we're trying tonight

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because of the the tech issues but there

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I am I not people want to see you yes

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they don't want to see me they're sick

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um but uh I was gonna ask

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testimony to Arrow as well so uh I I

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think this is great man I don't know

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about you why they're doing it I I you

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know their motives will remain unclear

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uh but it's proactive that there and

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like I said earlier almost retroactive

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um they want to hear from these guys

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who've been like shouting from the

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rooftops for so long and they're finally

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getting that opportunity so yeah what do

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you think do you think anything will

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come of these testimony by these

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individuals involved with nuclear

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they'll gather a lot more information or

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confirmation of stuff that's already

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um 99.9 sure we're not going to hear

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about it nothing that's nothing no

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testimony given by whistleblowers that's

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being given in Skiffs is going to

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Kirsten gillibrand you know it's not

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that stuff they're they're going to keep

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a lot of stuff under wraps which is

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extremely frustrating for the public uh

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I just hope they give us generalizations

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like yes we're Gathering more data we've

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had this many more encounters we've

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talked to people just let us know that

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you're working on it and what's going on

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and if and when the day comes when they

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can uh hopefully pick out some bits and

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pieces and go okay well this stuff we've

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pretty much cleared that it's going to

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be okay and now we can show you a couple

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things or tell you a couple of things

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that happened and if it's anything that

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really they can make legitimate case

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that it would impact National Security

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or reveal sources and methods store

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adversaries Etc et cetera et cetera then

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yeah you're not going to hear about that

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or if you do it'll be 70 years from now

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and everybody's dead

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yep seems to be the way it always goes I

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know

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um well let's let's move to one of those

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cases that you said uh they might be

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looking at that the public doesn't

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really know about and maybe that's for a

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reason um for those watching the video

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version of this you can see my my

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Project Blue Book file in the background

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there

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um that's what I want to talk about with

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you next Jazz is this article that you

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wrote that was called The Curious Case

307
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of Project Blue Book incident 88. now

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this was something I had never heard of

309
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before so um why don't you kind of if

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you don't mind kind of just break this

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down for us first of all how did you

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hear about it and um what were you able

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to sort of uncover lay the groundwork

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for us if you don't mind well parts of

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it took place pretty close to where I

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was living at the time so and I I was

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unaware for a long time that there was a

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that there was a Project Blue Book case

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about it when I when I came across it of

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course it caught my interest

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and when I started going through the

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files inside of Project Blue Book

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it it became one of the more weird ones

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that's in there for for those who have

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never gone browsing I mean I have an

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obsession with Project Blue Book and my

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wife thinks it's like OCD or something

328
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but there's tons of files some of them

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are really not very interesting at all

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there are a couple of pages and and

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they're they tend to be ranked uh fairly

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low uh on on the list of how much like

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jail and heineck analyzed all of them

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you can find his notes for each one and

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he classifies them of how interesting or

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uninteresting or you know could it be

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explained or everything like that and

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some of them are ranked really low and

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there's no information

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project 88 had has um 19 records inside

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of it some of them only have like two or

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three

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and it's also known as the um the

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Hackensack event because the main part

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of it that's referenced

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in the Blue Book files right at the

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beginning took place in Hackensack New

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Jersey and it took place a long time ago

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um 1947. so it might fall into what

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we're just talking about what they're

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going to look at but it was basically

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just two guys one got one was army

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Sergeant one of them was civilian buddy

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up in Hackensack which is in northern

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New Jersey for those who don't know and

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uh the sergeant had the day off he was

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on leave and he and his buddy were just

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out walking around having a good time

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and they were down by the shore and all

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of a sudden out of nowhere

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they claimed to have seen a large

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hovering disc about 200 yards away from

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them which that's two football fields

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that's pretty close

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and they dutifully went and called the

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police and reported it and that got

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passed along to other people

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and it wound up going to the Blue Book

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people

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but unfortunately that was pretty much

371
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the whole story

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hey we saw a disc what happened then

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well it just sort of flew away and and

374
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then they were okay nothing else to do

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and they went home and there was no more

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material so there was a handful of files

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and

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that's about all they said

379
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now also attacked on and that that only

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accounts for four or five of the 19

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files that are in there in this file in

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this case

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there's two more at the very end

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which are completely unrelated to

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anything to do with Hackensack

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but uh there was a couple of them from

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an event that took place uh the same

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year

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in Illinois

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and it involved somebody submitting

391
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a whole bunch of debris for lack of a

392
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better word that they suspected was

393
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involved with the UFO event out there

394
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and uh the folks at Ray Patterson

395
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examined all of it meticulously and were

396
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able to identify every piece of it as

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mundane things and they sent a report

398
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back although it did have the

399
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interesting caveat on the end which uh I

400
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don't have the exact sentence in front

401
00:16:07,790 --> 00:16:06,899
of me but said

402
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um

403
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this uh these materials had no

404
00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:12,959
connection whatsoever uh to do with

405
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Mogul project that's what they called it

406
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but project Mogul was what uh blue was

407
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what uh Roswell was later attributed to

408
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um possibly falsely so totally unrelated

409
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but then the bulk of the rest like 15

410
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other files had nothing to do with

411
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either of those things and it took place

412
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uh it was a series of incidents that

413
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took place at the other end of New

414
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Jersey down south in Wildwood and it was

415
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a whole bunch of Correspondence between

416
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this one woman who was only referred to

417
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as Mrs Evans and she had seen and

418
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according to her photographed repeatedly

419
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a whole bunch of saucers a couple of

420
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times along with her son and they were

421
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flying around uh over Wildwood and for

422
00:17:04,130 --> 00:17:02,160
those you don't know that's like a

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little Island community down on the

424
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Southeastern portion of New Jersey and

425
00:17:09,949 --> 00:17:08,400
she had correspondence with

426
00:17:11,329 --> 00:17:09,959
Wright-Patterson she had correspondence

427
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:11,339
with the FBI

428
00:17:16,010 --> 00:17:14,160
uh they were encouraging her and writing

429
00:17:18,409 --> 00:17:16,020
back and thanking her for all the

430
00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:18,419
information she was providing she never

431
00:17:22,370 --> 00:17:20,760
did get the photos back by the way as

432
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,380
usual

433
00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:24,959
um but I know

434
00:17:29,030 --> 00:17:27,240
but anyway that rattles my curiosity

435
00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:29,040
because I was operating under the

436
00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:30,600
assumption well they're all put in this

437
00:17:35,450 --> 00:17:31,980
one

438
00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:35,460
case File 88. so how are they related

439
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:39,960
and that started me on this long search

440
00:17:44,890 --> 00:17:42,720
and yeah I went Way Beyond Blue Book and

441
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,900
it took months and I was constantly

442
00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:47,039
researching and trying to find the

443
00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:49,320
background of all these people how were

444
00:17:53,690 --> 00:17:51,660
they related somehow maybe maybe they

445
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were family religions or some

446
00:17:57,710 --> 00:17:55,200
interaction with each other why was it

447
00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:57,720
all lumped together and man I I went

448
00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:59,400
down the rabbit hole on that one for so

449
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:01,620
long I know I I started with the

450
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:03,919
connections yeah

451
00:18:09,710 --> 00:18:07,679
I was trying to hook Mrs Evans up with

452
00:18:12,169 --> 00:18:09,720
the two guys in Hackensack in any way

453
00:18:13,490 --> 00:18:12,179
possible and so first you got to find

454
00:18:16,669 --> 00:18:13,500
out who she is

455
00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:16,679
and I went and learned that her name

456
00:18:21,049 --> 00:18:19,260
wasn't really Mrs Evans that's how she

457
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:21,059
was addressed and how it was signed all

458
00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:21,840
the time

459
00:18:28,669 --> 00:18:25,380
but uh let's see we had her for yeah Mrs

460
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,679
f11s but it turns out making it very

461
00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:30,240
hard to find her initially that wasn't

462
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,980
her real name she was an author and that

463
00:18:35,330 --> 00:18:33,600
was her pen name but it was also the

464
00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:35,340
name she used when corresponding with

465
00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:37,380
the FBI and with Ray Patterson which is

466
00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:38,460
weird

467
00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:41,460
but uh her real name was Ethel Rodman

468
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:43,260
and uh

469
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,559
that was her and her married name yeah

470
00:18:51,409 --> 00:18:49,440
was Ethel Rodman and her maiden name was

471
00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:51,419
Getz g-o-e-t-z I'm not sure how it's

472
00:18:55,789 --> 00:18:53,820
pronounced but uh she was a minor

473
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:55,799
celebrity in New Jersey and so I tracked

474
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her down

475
00:19:01,130 --> 00:18:58,500
and I won't bore everybody with all the

476
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,140
details but man I I found her her one

477
00:19:06,049 --> 00:19:03,840
child who curiously they named Rodman so

478
00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:06,059
his name was Rodman Rodman

479
00:19:11,870 --> 00:19:10,200
um yeah I know I I I'm not judging but

480
00:19:14,090 --> 00:19:11,880
yeah and I found her parents her

481
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:14,100
grandparents just trying to make a

482
00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:14,940
connection

483
00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:17,160
and I never could and I finally came to

484
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,140
the conclusion there was no connection

485
00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:21,120
but um

486
00:19:25,490 --> 00:19:23,400
but she did have a very interesting

487
00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:25,500
story and her correspondence anybody

488
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,440
that goes reads the article and I um I

489
00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:30,000
linked to copies of all the Blue Book

490
00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:31,740
files you can go read them yourself

491
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,220
and during that time period She was just

492
00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:37,440
seeing flying saucers and photographing

493
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,260
flying saucers and the government was

494
00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:42,000
unless they were faking it they were

495
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,340
taking her very seriously and like I

496
00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:46,080
said they helped arrange a meeting uh

497
00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:49,140
with the FBI in Philadelphia you know so

498
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:50,820
everybody was looking into this and she

499
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,160
seemed to be a very credible figure but

500
00:19:59,390 --> 00:19:56,160
then a year later she died

501
00:20:01,370 --> 00:19:59,400
um allegedly of natural causes and so

502
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,380
that trail went entirely cold

503
00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:03,600
um I tried to track down her surviving

504
00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:05,580
family members and was never able to get

505
00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:06,900
in contact with any of them that wanted

506
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:08,700
to talk just to see if they had any old

507
00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:11,520
records ever like I said I really chased

508
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:13,140
that and beat that dead horse into the

509
00:20:16,610 --> 00:20:13,919
ground

510
00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:16,620
but that that's the in a nutshell that's

511
00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:17,940
most of

512
00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:20,160
um entry 88 in the Blue Book files it

513
00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:21,179
was actually

514
00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:23,820
three different entry entry um entries I

515
00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:26,580
apologize that I think maybe just for

516
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,720
lack of a better place to put them they

517
00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:29,280
just all slimed them into that one you

518
00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:31,380
know uh folder somewhere in somebody's

519
00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:33,900
uh basement when I went to the National

520
00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:35,400
Archives

521
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,020
to ask them

522
00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:39,840
you know if they had anybody who would

523
00:20:43,730 --> 00:20:41,580
comment even if there was nothing that

524
00:20:45,289 --> 00:20:43,740
you could do a foia on and I did get a

525
00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:45,299
comment back they were actually being

526
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:49,080
very helpful but the woman's uh helpful

527
00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:50,760
attitude did not translate to helpful

528
00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:52,220
information because she basically

529
00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:54,600
responded to me emailed me and told me

530
00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:57,480
we have no idea we had to go look at it

531
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,400
to know what you were talking about and

532
00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:00,720
the people who filed all those things

533
00:21:05,570 --> 00:21:03,179
are all dead we have no way of figuring

534
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:05,580
this out for you and I was like

535
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,179
um

536
00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:09,120
okay then you know so that that's where

537
00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:11,460
the trail went cold Ryan so is that a

538
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,600
good enough summary of the whole thing

539
00:21:16,090 --> 00:21:14,400
or absolutely

540
00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:16,100
um really the the

541
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:19,380
there's like two sides to this coin um

542
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,720
you mentioned you know they kind of just

543
00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:23,760
stuff this in with other

544
00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:25,980
files and in the article you did mention

545
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:28,440
you know was it just location because

546
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:31,740
they both took place in New Jersey

547
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:34,380
um or could there have been some sort of

548
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,700
connection

549
00:21:39,409 --> 00:21:37,440
um and there was another part of the

550
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:39,419
article I found pretty interesting there

551
00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:42,059
was this uh I think you said it was an

552
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,240
interrogation with the FBI now was this

553
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,760
with one of the other Witnesses or was

554
00:21:53,149 --> 00:21:49,440
this with the woman

555
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:53,159
no this was with Ethel Rodman

556
00:21:58,730 --> 00:21:55,860
um oh wait oh no the other woman I

557
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,740
apologize I never could get her name and

558
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:01,200
boy I was trying like heck and and I

559
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,159
just couldn't

560
00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:03,840
another one of the another one of the

561
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,659
people who had been contacted by the

562
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:08,880
government and who had also seen the

563
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,700
flying saucers was her unnamed friend

564
00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:14,159
and and I'm I'm doing this strictly from

565
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:17,460
memory so but the unnamed friend had

566
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,559
been called by someone if it was either

567
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,080
the CIA some one of the Intel agencies

568
00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:24,720
and she had been very alarmed by the

569
00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:26,700
fact that she had called when you read

570
00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:28,919
all the details so she dropped out of

571
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:30,179
the picture pretty much as much as she

572
00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:32,220
could but it was Ethel Rodman who kept

573
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:33,659
pursuing it the whole time

574
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:36,600
okay can you you can see the share

575
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,340
screen I have here right

576
00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:41,039
well yeah because I also I have a muted

577
00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:42,840
YouTube up so it's lagging a little bit

578
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:45,059
because oh now I see it on yours on the

579
00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:46,080
uh

580
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,059
document that I'm looking at here with

581
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,520
all these redactions meeting with a

582
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:56,159
special agent was this

583
00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:58,980
I I I found this in embedded in the

584
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:01,080
article do you do you see this one I'm

585
00:23:04,669 --> 00:23:02,340
talking about here

586
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:04,679
yeah yeah and that that's the unnamed

587
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:05,460
friend

588
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:09,539
wanted to clarify that for my own sake

589
00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:11,640
okay yeah at the top it says Miss but

590
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,700
they did a good job of wiping out but I

591
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,559
I went through all of them there's a few

592
00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:18,000
spots in those documents because you can

593
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:19,740
see how old they are they were not

594
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:21,539
redacted digitally they were redacted

595
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:23,460
with a marker and there's a few places

596
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:25,559
where you can read through it in in a

597
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:26,820
couple of spots or they don't get the

598
00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:29,340
whole word and it gives you hints but no

599
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:30,900
I never found that she's referred to as

600
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,059
Miss and every everywhere else where

601
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:34,559
they talk about the the primary witness

602
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,799
they refer to Mrs Evans so okay

603
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:39,360
gotcha

604
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:41,700
um it's a really interesting case I do

605
00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:44,700
suggest people go read the article for

606
00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:46,500
the full story and I know it's still

607
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:49,080
developing I know you're still digging

608
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:51,960
um oh man I want to see because I saw in

609
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:54,960
the article you had like a screenshot of

610
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:57,299
um a screenshot that said

611
00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:01,140
glossy image attached but we don't have

612
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:04,700
the glossy image of this unit exactly

613
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:07,080
there was a photo at one point and they

614
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,240
had it but they apparently ditched it

615
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,520
and it was just glossy so you got the

616
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,679
page saying the image is attached and

617
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:15,480
then the page with the image is not

618
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:18,539
attached dude I was clicking for like 10

619
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:20,820
minutes being like I am I missing it or

620
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:23,460
or okay it's not here yay it's probably

621
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:25,799
in Paul heineck's garage somewhere

622
00:24:30,669 --> 00:24:29,039
tucked in is yeah his dad's old files um

623
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,679
it

624
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:32,880
will I know

625
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,120
um well it is it's a fascinating very

626
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,159
small obscure part of Project Blue Book

627
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,320
that not a lot of people had ever heard

628
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:43,020
of so I gotta thank you for for digging

629
00:24:47,630 --> 00:24:44,760
man that's really interesting any last

630
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:47,640
words on incident 88 before we move on

631
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:50,460
to the the Lakeshore Michigan case

632
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:53,159
more of just a for everybody else who

633
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,659
does take an interest anybody that's

634
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:56,400
maybe just getting into research and

635
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,720
stuff

636
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,820
um some of the old files are still worth

637
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:01,740
looking at and if you have the spare

638
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:02,520
time

639
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:05,340
uh I'll make sure you you probably I

640
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:08,039
have the link right yeah yeah and and

641
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,780
it's in that article anyway you can go

642
00:25:14,110 --> 00:25:12,240
and find the main page where all of the

643
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:14,120
entries are for all the Blue Book stuff

644
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:17,880
and there there's a ton of them and some

645
00:25:21,789 --> 00:25:19,980
of them that even have a few documents I

646
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:21,799
haven't been through nearly all of them

647
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,360
and it can be interesting and can be a

648
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,679
lot of fun a lot of them are short like

649
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:28,320
I said and they can be dead ends but I I

650
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:30,179
still submit that those old case files

651
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:32,520
are definitely worth looking at and at

652
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,020
least it gives you a starting point that

653
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:36,480
you know is real it's not oh I got a

654
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:39,960
call from my my boyfriend's uh Aunt who

655
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:42,539
you know saw a two-legged porcupine walk

656
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:44,220
across the road you know these are

657
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:45,480
things that were at least taken

658
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:47,580
seriously Enough by the Blue Book people

659
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:50,640
that they went and talked to people did

660
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,059
interviews made records and saved them a

661
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,700
lot of them were lost a lot of them were

662
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,620
heavily redacted and the unredacted

663
00:26:01,730 --> 00:26:00,720
versions have been lost but go ahead and

664
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,740
look through there's a lot of stuff

665
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:03,960
there and and you do just what I did

666
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:06,299
just pick a number there's hundreds you

667
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:08,460
know just go open it up and see what's

668
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:10,020
inside some of them have tons of

669
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:13,559
documents so yeah right and I mean look

670
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,299
at our our mutual colleague John

671
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:17,279
Greenwald I mean the minute you start

672
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:19,740
finding names in these things that's

673
00:26:26,169 --> 00:26:22,740
another lead to start foia or you know

674
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,179
of reference to a certain you know

675
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,760
organization and then it just opens the

676
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:31,380
floodgates like you could dig through

677
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:33,419
Project Blue Book probably for the rest

678
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,919
of human existence and still not be able

679
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,080
to like uncover everything

680
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:42,240
um and it's probably that isn't always

681
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:45,179
Euphoria isn't always as productive in

682
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:47,220
those old cages cases from the Blue Book

683
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:50,760
era I've I've done even on just uh

684
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:53,700
instant 88 I I filed a number of ways

685
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,559
and in all but one instance they wound

686
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:57,720
up just being dead ends and they were

687
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:59,159
like I'm sorry that's too long ago we

688
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:01,020
don't you know and I took a couple of

689
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:02,520
names that that showed up in those

690
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:05,340
documents and asked for uh give me

691
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,380
documents and correspondence from so and

692
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:08,640
so and there are no records found

693
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,700
because it is you know it's like all

694
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,440
going on almost 80 years for some of

695
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:16,320
those you know and not everything got

696
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,880
saved and I bet there was a lot of stuff

697
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:19,919
that intentionally didn't get saved and

698
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:23,640
disappeared so but at least you have a

699
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,400
starting point with what you find in

700
00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:28,640
those files and

701
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:31,380
excuse me and again

702
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:33,059
like I said

703
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:35,159
um it's worth a look if you got the time

704
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,779
and you're really interested in the

705
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:37,919
subject and if you're sitting here

706
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,500
watching Ryan's show and listening to me

707
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:43,200
talk instead of doing something fun then

708
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:45,059
you're probably that interested so go

709
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:46,260
check it out

710
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,240
you watch the show guys exactly get that

711
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,480
in there of awesome Jazz well again

712
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:57,120
um great great work on that one um I do

713
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,840
want to move to Lakeshore Michigan uh

714
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:02,640
Michigan's a place near and dear to my

715
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,659
heart

716
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:05,640
um first of all my my father Doug

717
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,120
Sprague is a huge Detroit Lions fan why

718
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:11,220
I couldn't tell you he always has been

719
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:13,559
always will be um they're looking pretty

720
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:16,440
good uh recently so I'll give them that

721
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:17,880
but um

722
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:20,580
Michigan I I've investigated a lot of

723
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:23,640
cases in Michigan personally uh one is a

724
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:25,500
close encounter slash abduction case

725
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,279
another was a really interesting orb

726
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:31,380
incident that happened over Lake

727
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,340
Michigan

728
00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:35,520
um but this is probably one of the most

729
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:38,279
famous cases kind of now made famous

730
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,460
through Unsolved Mysteries but um you

731
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,200
know and besides the swamp gas thing

732
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,600
back there in Project Blue Book the

733
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,059
Lakeshore Michigan case of 1994 is

734
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:49,919
Pinnacle it's one of the most credible

735
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:52,440
and well-documented UFO cases out there

736
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:55,320
and you you highlighted this in a

737
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,919
debrief article and um came up with some

738
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:01,020
really interesting stuff so again would

739
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:02,460
you mind kind of um laying the

740
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:04,440
groundwork for us on what the Lakeshore

741
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,620
Michigan case is and um yeah maybe a

742
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:09,360
little about the uh the key players

743
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:10,919
involved

744
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,980
yeah sure uh this is one of several that

745
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:16,559
I did uh for the debrief and a couple

746
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,080
other places they're not Blue Book files

747
00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:21,840
they're much later than that and as you

748
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:24,419
you already pointed out this in 1994. so

749
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:26,760
the information we have to go on is the

750
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:28,500
stuff that's in the public record things

751
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:30,779
that other people have dug up whatever's

752
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:35,520
been saved uh this is you we all we all

753
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:37,320
get asked on different shows and

754
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,179
interviews you know like what's your

755
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:41,100
favorite UFO case of all time what do

756
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,419
you think one's the most credible one

757
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:44,399
that could sell somebody and a lot of

758
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,480
people immediately want to go to the

759
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,580
Phoenix Lights which is a great case and

760
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:50,640
Barney and Betty Hill but

761
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,740
and at least until the show episode

762
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:54,000
you're talking about not as many people

763
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:57,299
talked about the Lake Michigan 1994

764
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,679
event

765
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:01,200
um I'm trying to remember yeah I'm just

766
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,730
oh Holland yeah it's also known as the

767
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,880
Holland event because a lot of it took

768
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:11,520
place over over Holland Michigan and out

769
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:12,539
over the lake

770
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,059
and that was

771
00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:16,799
that what makes it so great is the

772
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,380
number of witnesses large number

773
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,600
the fact that there were many law

774
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,720
enforcement Witnesses multiple ones

775
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,820
um there was a radar operator for the

776
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:28,799
National Weather Service which we'll get

777
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:31,140
into in a moment with you I'm sure yeah

778
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:34,260
and so lots of credible Witnesses but

779
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:37,020
also it's not just stories it's not just

780
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:40,440
recollections if you go out and dig like

781
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:42,059
we did when I was doing this for the

782
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:43,020
debrief

783
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,919
there are recordings that were saved of

784
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:49,380
calls with the police officers who are

785
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:51,419
seeing it radio dispatches that were

786
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:54,299
saved you can listen to them interviews

787
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,799
that were conducted with some of the

788
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:57,840
primary Witnesses were done on video

789
00:31:01,490 --> 00:30:59,820
because it was in the 90s and by that

790
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,500
time people were videotaping things you

791
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:03,360
know and those are out there you can go

792
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:05,880
find them and when you go through all of

793
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:09,240
them I would say that the the one you

794
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:10,799
saw on TV

795
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,559
like many of them probably props it up a

796
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:15,360
little bit too much in some areas but

797
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:19,140
mostly it's spot on it's line for line

798
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:21,299
so it was

799
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,899
um

800
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,240
what was the date of that I don't

801
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:26,880
remember exactly it was the case oh

802
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:30,539
March March 8th 1994 yeah yeah and that

803
00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:31,799
evening

804
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:33,419
I don't remember who the first person

805
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,360
was but somebody saw some very large

806
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,640
things with lights up in the sky kind of

807
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,440
moving around in in a weird way and

808
00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:42,299
they're like well we'll call the cops

809
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:45,299
and the police at first were just like

810
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:47,159
oh boy we got somebody that's drunk you

811
00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:47,940
know

812
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,799
but then the cops started going out and

813
00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:52,320
looking and they started seeing them and

814
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:54,360
they were moving and and they were

815
00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:57,299
heading like Southwest when they went

816
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:58,620
over the lake they were kind of heading

817
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:01,799
towards Chicago and by that time you

818
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,539
know there had been multiple police

819
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:05,880
officers we have their conversations we

820
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:07,980
have the civilian witnesses that were

821
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:10,559
interviewed all the descriptions lined

822
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,159
up

823
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:13,980
it nobody had a really clear sight of

824
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:16,500
these things but there were many of them

825
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:19,860
and they were large and in fact the NWS

826
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:22,980
radar operator described them uh as

827
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:25,620
appearing on the radar screen larger

828
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:27,659
than a commercial aircraft liner so they

829
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:30,120
were pretty big and they had they had

830
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:32,340
weird lights that did not conform with

831
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:34,260
normal FAA lighting or anything like

832
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,980
that

833
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,720
and yeah they were moving around and

834
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:38,820
people were just chasing them and the

835
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:40,380
the chase was going like from one town

836
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:42,419
to the next to the next from one police

837
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,240
precinct to the next to the next and

838
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:48,480
yeah anybody that uh follows the link if

839
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,279
you hadn't seen it before you can go

840
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:52,500
read the article we have some of the

841
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:55,260
videos in there uh some of which are

842
00:33:02,090 --> 00:32:56,220
just

843
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:02,100
sorry James yeah I've got um I've got I

844
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,100
think two of those 9-1-1 calls

845
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,960
um to pay for the audience here do you

846
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:08,640
think now would be a good time I think

847
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,620
it'd be a great time and and before you

848
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:12,720
do I would I would just say listen to

849
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:15,899
the not just the words the tones of the

850
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:18,360
people's voices both law enforcement and

851
00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:21,179
the people who are calling and you're

852
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,019
gonna

853
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,760
trick will you go ahead just play it

854
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,200
you'll know what I'm talking about after

855
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,840
everybody hears it right right yeah this

856
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,760
is a small one but yeah I think you

857
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:31,200
they'll definitely get a taste of it

858
00:33:44,049 --> 00:33:38,450
um we were just wondering have you heard

859
00:33:44,059 --> 00:33:57,130
east Southeast area it's like a group

860
00:33:57,140 --> 00:34:07,760
about it

861
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:18,050
[Music]

862
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:20,210
um yeah this is a non-emergency so feel

863
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:22,020
free to cut me off if something comes in

864
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:23,879
and I feel kind of silly calling but my

865
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,000
son and sister that I call is there any

866
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:29,040
Air Force airplanes or helicopters

867
00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:31,560
flying around in alligator Ottawa County

868
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:34,139
tonight hold on we've had reports about

869
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:35,879
Stratford Way in that area of life and

870
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:38,040
they're checking it out Stratford way

871
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,260
now where would that be we're right on

872
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:42,659
Aragon on the county line yeah it's down

873
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:44,300
in that area

874
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:47,399
pardon right down it's by Holland city

875
00:34:53,649 --> 00:34:50,780
okay because he saw them heading

876
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:53,659
southeast of the county line of Ottawa

877
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:55,500
Allegan probably right on the Kent

878
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:57,960
County Line I would imagine okay yeah

879
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:59,400
we've got them checking out they say

880
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,080
it's something to do with uh radio

881
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:04,080
towers down in the area they're in the

882
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:10,490
time of that real high hill and

883
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:13,800
the county line there and it was like at

884
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:16,740
a 45 degree angle to the ground there's

885
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,300
like probably four or five lights and

886
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:19,680
they were all flashing right in a row

887
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:21,000
from the top all the way down to the

888
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:24,060
bottom and it was sitting there for a

889
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,280
while and then it leveled off and then

890
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,980
it then it moved Southeast it was up in

891
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:30,960
the air quite a bit okay yeah we got an

892
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:32,520
officer down here checking on it right

893
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,000
now okay okay that took off real fast

894
00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:38,040
okay yeah we'll let him know all right

895
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:46,370
man I mean you could hear how excited

896
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:48,119
and scared these people are

897
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:50,760
yeah and they mentioned the radio tower

898
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,000
that's worth pointing out because I I

899
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,440
know we're not going to take up your

900
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,640
whole show play in every one of the

901
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:59,760
clips from this but if you when you go

902
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:01,500
and listen to the conversation between

903
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:04,020
the one police officer and the National

904
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,660
Weather Service radar operator in the

905
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:08,000
beginning when they're first talking

906
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:11,460
before anything's been confirmed they're

907
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:13,140
both they're they start they're joking

908
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,520
like maybe there's some drunk people out

909
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,800
tonight and then they go well they just

910
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,119
put those new

911
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:20,160
um Towers up and they got some pretty

912
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:21,119
bright lights on them that's probably

913
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,440
what everybody's seeing and they're both

914
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:24,240
agreeing with that they're both agreeing

915
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:25,619
with that until they see it themselves

916
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:27,540
and then it shows up on the radar and

917
00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:30,839
then the whole conversation changes

918
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:33,960
and the The Weather Service operator the

919
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:36,900
radar operator reported them he used the

920
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:39,540
word blinking they would change altitude

921
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:41,400
and he was watching it and tracking it

922
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,220
and actually hand rotating the direction

923
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,320
of the radar dish to be able to track

924
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:48,359
them and find them and some of them

925
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:52,079
blinked at thousands of feet like in one

926
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:53,820
second does that sound familiar to

927
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:56,220
anybody sounds like the Tic Tac doesn't

928
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:59,099
it yeah wow

929
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,140
oh interesting oh that just gave me

930
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,569
Um well hey you know what while we're on

931
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:07,380
it um I've got the audio some of the

932
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,420
audio from the meteorologist

933
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:10,980
um you know that was dealing with the

934
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,740
radar and uh and why don't we go ahead

935
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,599
and play that I I think some of what you

936
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:17,760
just said might even be in it um this is

937
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:19,260
a shorter clip and then we'll come back

938
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:20,940
on the other side and let's do that

939
00:37:25,069 --> 00:37:23,160
really get into uh give me one second I

940
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,079
just want to go refill my water water

941
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:27,300
glass absolutely absolutely I'll go

942
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,180
ahead and play it um yep and we'll be

943
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:32,400
back guys listen to this this is the

944
00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:35,220
this is Jack Bouchon the meteorologist

945
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:39,380
and um one of the police officers

946
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:42,180
about between seven and twelve thousand

947
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,140
feet oh this is strange this is probably

948
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:47,599
weird yeah

949
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:49,500
you know I don't know if it's some kind

950
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,000
of energy or um it's the radar is is

951
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:56,700
picking up something that's a union I

952
00:37:59,290 --> 00:37:58,500
wish I could I wish we had a picture of

953
00:38:03,829 --> 00:37:59,300
this

954
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,750
that could be that one by Benton Harbor

955
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:08,160
if it's not that high this is really

956
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:14,230
um now I'm getting I was getting four

957
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:18,540
okay now they've moved position again

958
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,000
um and I'm sweeping it back and forth

959
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,040
and kind of like a triangle just back

960
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,320
and forth from where the beam is uh

961
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:27,359
spotted towards Chicago then I sweep it

962
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:30,660
back toward uh maybe Fort Wayne and it

963
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,540
sweeped they um they'll be in the same

964
00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:35,460
position and then uh all of a sudden

965
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,180
they'll pop up somewhere else so like

966
00:38:41,290 --> 00:38:40,140
instantaneously moving and I'm getting

967
00:38:44,349 --> 00:38:41,300
about

968
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:44,359
uh between

969
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:48,119
three and four returns and they look

970
00:38:56,349 --> 00:38:50,339
like uh sleeping in the vertical they

971
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,069
I'm getting

972
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,190
it's really weird

973
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:10,849
yeah so I mean yeah the phrase really

974
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:17,870
not only that um you can tell how uneasy

975
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,220
he is I mean like he mentioned this

976
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:22,920
thing he was sweeping it you know from

977
00:39:29,569 --> 00:39:26,760
like one almost from the state border

978
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,579
um you know throughout Michigan and it

979
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:31,680
was just appearing in different

980
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,400
locations like instantaneously so I mean

981
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:37,740
are we dealing with one massive craft

982
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,540
moving all over the place

983
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,579
instantaneously are we dealing with like

984
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:43,859
a full-on invasion of different craft

985
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,680
it's it's so ah God I can't even imagine

986
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:48,540
what was going through their heads

987
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,520
yeah when you when you get towards the

988
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:53,280
end that it sounded like I don't recall

989
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,339
anyone actually using the word invasion

990
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,980
but there was it wasn't one thing there

991
00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:00,119
was a bunch of them and people were

992
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,060
seeing the middle from a lot of places

993
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,460
and yeah there was definite concern it

994
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:07,560
went from joking about drunks and things

995
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:09,900
like that to what the hell are we

996
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,800
dealing with you know and it became very

997
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:15,599
frantic and like I said that that's one

998
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:18,180
of the reasons I just think it's that

999
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:21,660
that saved testimony particularly when

1000
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,180
you have audio recordings and you have a

1001
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:26,400
radar operator that's why I think this

1002
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:29,400
this is if it's not the best for me it's

1003
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,760
at least in the the top five best most

1004
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:34,500
plausible

1005
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,320
examples of UFO encoders that if you if

1006
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,880
you know somebody that's just hearing

1007
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:40,079
about this now and they're like oh none

1008
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,880
of that's real Point them to this one

1009
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:43,440
they have them sit down and go through

1010
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:44,760
all that material and when they're done

1011
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:46,260
they're probably going to be like oh

1012
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:47,579
maybe I should be watching with this

1013
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,220
Congressional offices are doing

1014
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:51,960
right

1015
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,380
um and you know sort of for this this

1016
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,420
guy uh this weather

1017
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:59,700
whether meteorologist Jack pushong like

1018
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,859
he didn't talk about this after it

1019
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,119
happened

1020
00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:05,099
um because he was afraid of the ridicule

1021
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,490
yep I'm sorry I missed that last part

1022
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:15,180
could you say that again yeah of course

1023
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:15,960
Jess

1024
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,339
um Jack Bouchon the weather

1025
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:18,960
meteorologist you know the guy's voice

1026
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,260
we just heard after all of this happened

1027
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:24,839
um he did not you know quote unquote

1028
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:27,839
report this because of the stigma and

1029
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:29,640
ridicule he thought he would face am I

1030
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:31,140
correct in that

1031
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,680
oh yeah and it that's why this story

1032
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,660
actually stretches on a long time until

1033
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:39,119
very recently as a matter of fact

1034
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:42,660
um Bouchon was asked and he told friends

1035
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:46,200
we learned later that uh he talked about

1036
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,339
it once and he got a lot of blowback and

1037
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:52,260
reporters tried contact him he wouldn't

1038
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:54,119
talk to anybody else and one of the

1039
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:55,800
things he said was

1040
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:58,980
he I have a pretty good idea of what

1041
00:42:02,329 --> 00:41:59,880
this was

1042
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:02,339
but he never said what that idea was and

1043
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:04,740
he said maybe after I retire from the

1044
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:06,180
National Weather Service I'll talk about

1045
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:10,020
it and he went on and this was only a

1046
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:12,359
few years ago he did retire and he did

1047
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,460
talk about it again and he still didn't

1048
00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:16,260
say what he thought it was

1049
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:21,290
yeah I know I know I feel like he only

1050
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,140
really once retired and also once all of

1051
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:26,880
the Pentagon stuff started coming out

1052
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,640
that's when he was kind of okay you know

1053
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,440
with telling the public about his

1054
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,599
involvement with this and then you know

1055
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,579
how that goes when anyone with any sort

1056
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,920
of credibility comes forward especially

1057
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,020
in a case like this everyone's going to

1058
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:42,480
be all over them and Unsolved Mysteries

1059
00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:45,480
was all over this one man did you see

1060
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:47,579
their special on it

1061
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:50,760
oh yeah I did I I thought it was good

1062
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:54,480
but again they do tend to really

1063
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:57,660
lean heavily towards reporting the stuff

1064
00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:00,359
that's the most excitable and the most

1065
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,380
believable

1066
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:03,599
and they tend to ignore

1067
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,460
or at least downplay some of the stuff

1068
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,160
that might cause some of their the

1069
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:09,839
incidents they cover into question I

1070
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,859
don't know if you agree with that

1071
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:12,660
assessment but that's kind of the

1072
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:14,460
impression that I get

1073
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:15,540
um I was just going back through my

1074
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:16,980
notes for a second and I don't want to

1075
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:19,560
backtrack too much but when you're

1076
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:23,160
you're talking about Bouchon and feeling

1077
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,740
intimidated and whatnot

1078
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:26,880
um I

1079
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,540
totally forgot the Chicago Tribune

1080
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,880
interviewed Leo grineer the director of

1081
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,200
the National Weather Service over where

1082
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,720
he worked and he was the person and I

1083
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:38,579
apologize for mixing this up who came

1084
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,900
out and said and I have the quote right

1085
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:41,400
here I don't believe for a minute that

1086
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,140
it was any kind of alien structure I

1087
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:44,400
think there's a fairly strong Earthly

1088
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:46,140
explanation for what occurred

1089
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:47,940
and of course he didn't say what he

1090
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,740
thought it was either but I think

1091
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:52,260
Bouchon was was much more inclined to

1092
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,220
believe

1093
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,740
that it was something significant but

1094
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,359
getting back to the thing about how

1095
00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,000
those shows handle that

1096
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,800
um in that article of mine that you're

1097
00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:05,040
referencing I made a uh a reference to

1098
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,079
another article I wrote another

1099
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:09,180
investigation that we did for the

1100
00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:13,319
debrief and that was of the one really

1101
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:14,220
big

1102
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:18,260
um the Japan Airlines incident flight

1103
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,099
yeah yeah

1104
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,079
and that's one of those ones where I

1105
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,480
went in and that also has a ton of old

1106
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:27,119
data but when I went and looked at that

1107
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:28,140
data

1108
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,819
in my and I'm going to make a lot of

1109
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:31,200
people angry I'm sorry because I know

1110
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,180
that's a big favorite incident for a lot

1111
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,339
of people that one doesn't really stand

1112
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,160
up very well under scrutiny really wow

1113
00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:40,319
that's why it's that's why it's good to

1114
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,579
have all the old data and yeah I'll find

1115
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:47,640
you a uh a link matter of fact I can I

1116
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:49,079
just realized I'm not on camera I can

1117
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:51,180
just DM it to you right now if you want

1118
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,680
to stick it in the show notes later

1119
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:55,440
later sure or in the chat

1120
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,280
um yeah that that got played up and

1121
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:01,140
there's been a lot of tv specials that

1122
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:05,099
were that were done about that one and

1123
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:07,380
um it like I said it it really just kind

1124
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,859
of doesn't hold up because they have the

1125
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:12,960
records are available of the transcripts

1126
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,690
the the transcripts of the interviews

1127
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,740
that were done got to remember that that

1128
00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:25,140
Japan Airlines flight that was a cargo

1129
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:26,460
flight there were only three people on

1130
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:28,500
board the pilot the co-pilot and the

1131
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,560
Navigator okay the pilot was the one who

1132
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:34,079
reported everything that's talked about

1133
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:36,060
when they interviewed and one of them

1134
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:37,500
was done in Japanese but we have an

1135
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:40,859
English language Trend translation of it

1136
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:43,140
the other two the co-pilot of the

1137
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:45,420
Navigator they never saw anything like

1138
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,400
what he was talking about one of them

1139
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,440
said they saw some lights but they were

1140
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,640
down closer to the ground and they

1141
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:52,319
looked like City Lights was the phrase

1142
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,819
he used

1143
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:55,440
um like they were seeing lights on the

1144
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,440
ground uh the radar data

1145
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:00,960
that gets overplayed in the TV shows

1146
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,900
quite a bit you can listen to the radar

1147
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:05,460
operators

1148
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,579
um and I and I have those uh audios

1149
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:10,560
LinkedIn in that article I did in the

1150
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:14,099
Japan Air1 and you know they did see

1151
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,500
something sporadically

1152
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:18,000
but it very well could have been

1153
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:19,859
scattered and if you don't work in radar

1154
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:21,300
you might not know what that means but

1155
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:22,619
if there's a lightning storm in the area

1156
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,540
lightning produces these broad bands

1157
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:26,160
across the entire Spectrum when it when

1158
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,980
it flashes and they showed up on the

1159
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,020
older Radars that didn't have

1160
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,119
excuse me um filter is quite as good

1161
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:35,640
and they never had anything big behind

1162
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:37,260
them like the mothership that the pilot

1163
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,540
was describing only thing they had

1164
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:41,520
behind them was like five miles away and

1165
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:44,940
it was another airliner you know and I I

1166
00:46:48,349 --> 00:46:46,200
walked through all those details in the

1167
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,359
article and yeah the TV shows make the

1168
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:51,060
Japan air one look like another one of

1169
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,680
the most solid great cases because they

1170
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:54,480
have a lot of data and that's all true

1171
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:56,760
but the data doesn't really support it

1172
00:47:02,089 --> 00:46:59,579
in a lot of cases in in most of what was

1173
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:02,099
said in my opinion but so if you want an

1174
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,180
example of one that might have been

1175
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:05,339
overplayed go take a look at that

1176
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,839
article and uh you know

1177
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:10,740
determine for yourself what you think

1178
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,839
but there's not a lot of support in the

1179
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,180
Japan air one in my opinion you're

1180
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:18,060
breaking my arches I covered that one on

1181
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:19,800
Mysteries at the Museum on the Travel

1182
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:21,720
Channel so

1183
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:24,359
um don't go watch that guys because it's

1184
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,060
actually a massive waste of time

1185
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,400
um no I'm not saying entirely but just

1186
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,740
you know I'm just asking go look at what

1187
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:34,200
I wrote look at the data check it out

1188
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,700
for yourself make up your own mind

1189
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,440
something weird definitely could have

1190
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:39,119
happened you know there's no question

1191
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:42,780
about that in my mind but it it wasn't

1192
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:45,000
as clear-cut as

1193
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:48,780
some other people have made it sound so

1194
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:51,540
fair enough well okay the title of your

1195
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,260
Lakeshore piece what really was seeing

1196
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:58,140
what was seen during this uh what are

1197
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:59,880
your thoughts what do you think these

1198
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,260
people could have seen in Michigan in

1199
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:06,589
well

1200
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,240
the size doesn't seem to match

1201
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,760
otherwise I I already said this

1202
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,560
particularly with the jumping in

1203
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,079
altitude so fast and all that I was

1204
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:17,760
thinking maybe we already had Tech Decks

1205
00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:20,880
back then but we don't generally hear

1206
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,900
descriptions of tic tacs being that big

1207
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,599
like considerably bigger than a

1208
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:29,579
commercial jetliner

1209
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,780
um I don't know if I did your

1210
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:35,520
episode with

1211
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:37,980
people's witness things but I think

1212
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:39,900
you've already talked to me and seen my

1213
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:41,460
YouTube channel I've seen three Tic Tacs

1214
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,859
my wife has two and

1215
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,780
they weren't anywhere near that big I

1216
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:47,280
described them as being the size of a

1217
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:49,500
city bus basically

1218
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:51,240
um

1219
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:53,579
would you mind maybe telling us a little

1220
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:55,560
more about that Jess I haven't had a

1221
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,000
chance to speak to you about that yet

1222
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:58,920
actually oh I would have sworn we did

1223
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:00,780
God I I talked to a few people about it

1224
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:04,140
yeah I even wrote it I knew they haven't

1225
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:05,640
um I don't think I've had you on witness

1226
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:08,040
accounts yet but um here's your chance

1227
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,740
oh really I don't mind at my age I I

1228
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,900
tell you I'm losing so many digits when

1229
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:15,480
you put out a call I I had to sit there

1230
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:17,400
and scratch my head and go did I already

1231
00:49:24,550 --> 00:49:19,020
call in and leave a witness account

1232
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:26,630
let me know when you're doing the next

1233
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:30,240
collection and I'll call in that's right

1234
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:33,780
um yeah I I went uh 60 I went more than

1235
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,660
60 years without ever seeing anything

1236
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:38,640
the UFO I mean you see some weird lights

1237
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,500
in the sky you know everybody does and

1238
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:42,300
it might be a satellite or you know

1239
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:43,500
whatever who knows

1240
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,520
never saw anything and then in November

1241
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:49,440
of 2020

1242
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:52,920
uh my wife and I saw two UFOs in one

1243
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:54,599
week one week apart

1244
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:58,440
uh the first one was a bizarre orb for

1245
00:50:02,569 --> 00:49:59,880
lack of a better word like a big round

1246
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,579
ball that was just dozens of different

1247
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,800
lights that melded and and it just I

1248
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:06,599
filmed that one for more than five

1249
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:09,180
minutes it was just above the ridge the

1250
00:50:13,069 --> 00:50:10,440
east of my house and it was just going

1251
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:13,079
to the left and then slowly to the right

1252
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:14,460
and up and down

1253
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,260
and it never did anything else and I

1254
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,900
eventually gave up and went to bed

1255
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:21,359
um one week later she was out walking

1256
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,020
the dog my wife I mean and a uh

1257
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:28,079
she looked up and I was we lived near

1258
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,220
the corner and she was on the street

1259
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:31,200
walking our dog about

1260
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:33,060
20 yards away and I could see her from

1261
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:34,859
there and suddenly she's looking up and

1262
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,780
she's got her camera out and she's

1263
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:38,640
pointing she's going look look

1264
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:41,940
and right over our house

1265
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:43,980
it was a cloudy night so it couldn't

1266
00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:45,780
have been all that high up in the air it

1267
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:49,020
was overcast a humongous black triangle

1268
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,680
went over very slowly very silently had

1269
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:55,380
a bunch of little twinkly

1270
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,180
looked like Christmas lights except they

1271
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:58,559
kind of moved in relation to each other

1272
00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:59,880
like they weren't really attached to it

1273
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,500
or whatever it was

1274
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:04,020
and so she filmed that one the film's

1275
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,099
terrible it's not even worth watching

1276
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,200
but it's on my YouTube channel

1277
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:09,300
um so that was two didn't see anything

1278
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,640
else until the spring and then in the

1279
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:12,480
spring

1280
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:16,200
we and then again in August

1281
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:17,700
I have to look at the dates on the

1282
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:19,800
videos because I I tried filming all but

1283
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:22,859
the first one and then another one in

1284
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:25,380
late September uh we had three Tic Tacs

1285
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:27,480
come over in daylight broad daylight and

1286
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:29,880
they they were visible from my back deck

1287
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:31,500
and the first one I didn't have my

1288
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:34,200
camera in my pocket and I I first I

1289
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:36,780
assumed it was a plane until it became

1290
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:39,660
more became more clear and there's

1291
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:42,300
there's no wings there's no windows

1292
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:45,420
there's no jet it's just this tube thing

1293
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:47,640
and it's going by and by the time I

1294
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,619
realized that my wife was in the den I

1295
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:51,359
reached for my camera which is not there

1296
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,980
because it's recharging I went crashing

1297
00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:54,180
through the house

1298
00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,280
and I'm just and I was screaming on my

1299
00:52:00,829 --> 00:51:59,460
way in get your camera get out front I

1300
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,839
felt horrible because later she told me

1301
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:02,160
she thought the house was on fire

1302
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,780
because she had no idea what was going

1303
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:06,240
on no but she grabbed her camera and ran

1304
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:07,440
out front and I went and grabbed mine

1305
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,819
and yanked it off the charger and I came

1306
00:52:12,829 --> 00:52:10,079
out front

1307
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:12,839
and there's nothing there I didn't see

1308
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,300
it she said I saw something white for a

1309
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:17,460
second but it's gone

1310
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,579
the second one things worked out and and

1311
00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:23,280
I I should point out at the speed it was

1312
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:25,260
traveling and the height it was

1313
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:27,240
on a very clear day

1314
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,460
from the front of my house it should if

1315
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:30,960
it was continuing in a straight line I

1316
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,980
should have been able to see it for

1317
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:33,240
quite a while heading off till it went

1318
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:35,640
over the horizon it was just gone

1319
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,319
I got a better idea what happened the

1320
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:38,640
second one because the second one I was

1321
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:40,200
out of my deck and this time I had my

1322
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,400
camera

1323
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,400
and the exact same thing happened it

1324
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:46,200
came from the same direction it came

1325
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:48,780
from the West heading towards the east

1326
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,540
a little bit lower than the previous one

1327
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,819
and it came up about even with my house

1328
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:55,680
and it stopped

1329
00:52:59,390 --> 00:52:57,420
I don't mean it slowed down I mean it

1330
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:59,400
was moving and then it was stop it just

1331
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:01,140
hung there and it started to turn

1332
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:03,900
slightly so the nose was pointing a

1333
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,339
little more towards our house or maybe

1334
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,559
the tail I don't know how it works

1335
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,480
um and it was just hanging there while I

1336
00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:12,480
was filming it and it vanished it didn't

1337
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,339
land it didn't crash it didn't fly away

1338
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,920
it freaking disappeared

1339
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,680
and it was gone and that freaked me out

1340
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:21,839
because at that point I was just like if

1341
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,099
our government's got something like that

1342
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:25,800
we've really been kept in the dark

1343
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:27,480
and then we saw another one in the fall

1344
00:53:31,329 --> 00:53:29,160
that did basically the same thing except

1345
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:31,339
didn't didn't disappear just kept going

1346
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:34,740
and went on its merry way

1347
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:37,559
I never saw any aliens I never saw it

1348
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:40,140
was just things in the sky you know I I

1349
00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:41,700
never some people talk about getting

1350
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:44,040
downloads or telepathy or nothing like

1351
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:46,200
that no it was just things I saw that

1352
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:47,579
were up in the sky

1353
00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:49,740
so there's the short version those are

1354
00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:51,300
the five I've seen and my wife saw them

1355
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:52,940
too

1356
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:57,359
wow man I had no idea it was that many

1357
00:54:01,549 --> 00:53:58,680
um yeah I'm gonna have to have your

1358
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,559
unwitness accounts to uh to retail those

1359
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:04,200
in further detail no thank you thank you

1360
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:06,420
for sharing that with us um

1361
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:10,680
so I mean I guess to kind of wrap things

1362
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:13,980
up here Jazz we'll take listener and uh

1363
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:15,660
viewer questions too guys if you want

1364
00:54:20,569 --> 00:54:17,880
throw them in the chat now for jazz as

1365
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:20,579
we kind of start to wrap things up here

1366
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:24,960
um everybody I know Ryan's to uh modest

1367
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,300
to say it but uh

1368
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,520
make sure you hit those super chats and

1369
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,920
whatnot so he he does a lot of work for

1370
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:34,079
you so if you can manage to help please

1371
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:35,160
do so

1372
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:38,040
thanks man always appreciated Super Chat

1373
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,200
is open guys if you do want to help the

1374
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:42,420
show you're right Jess I'm two two mods

1375
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:43,980
for that stuff help the show out guys

1376
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:46,380
you want to ask Jazz Shaw a question you

1377
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:47,880
gotta pay for it

1378
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,549
I know I know that's that's a little too

1379
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:54,960
much um I gotta just pull it back pull

1380
00:54:58,849 --> 00:54:56,099
it back right

1381
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,859
um let's talk about uh

1382
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,920
for a minute okay Arrow this new group

1383
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,599
you know we kind of talked about it in

1384
00:55:08,809 --> 00:55:05,400
the beginning this is gonna be their

1385
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:08,819
year to really play catch-up I think and

1386
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,619
really show us what they're capable of

1387
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:13,440
and uh and they got a lot of work to do

1388
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:17,640
you know now Decades of work to do

1389
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:20,520
um and in terms of that you know there

1390
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:23,520
was even one point I recall late last

1391
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:24,359
year

1392
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:26,900
where they were hiring

1393
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:30,300
and once UFO Twitter got on this

1394
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,339
everyone was like oh my God we could

1395
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,680
work for Arrow we could work for Arrow

1396
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,140
um and now we're learning of people who

1397
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,599
possibly have worked for Arrow or or

1398
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:42,240
haven't or worked for the UAP task force

1399
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:43,980
this that this that

1400
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:45,900
um some of them who are quite famous and

1401
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,339
we've seen on TV a lot yes yes yes as we

1402
00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:52,980
learned yeah that bombshell was pretty

1403
00:56:02,270 --> 00:56:00,230
dude when I heard that I was like are

1404
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,280
you kidding me you were doing that show

1405
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:04,800
that whole time and you didn't even tell

1406
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:07,319
the people on the team and I guess in

1407
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,380
Red Dragon man Dragon yes

1408
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,480
Dragon was pissed

1409
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:14,880
and you know but I I guess I understand

1410
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,880
he must have signed a uh non-disclosure

1411
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:20,160
agreement or something and it was very

1412
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,740
secret stuff but when it did come out

1413
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:25,200
yeah I was blown away I was like

1414
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:28,020
and I I wonder what he told them and he

1415
00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:29,460
still can't tell us everything that he

1416
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:30,599
told them but he was a science

1417
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:33,059
consultant and he's definitely seen some

1418
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:34,619
weird things in there in the business of

1419
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:37,380
looking at weird things so I'm not

1420
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,740
bothered I'm not mad at him I and I

1421
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,839
guess we have to understand that because

1422
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:44,640
of ndas and whatnot he couldn't tell us

1423
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:48,240
until it became public knowledge so no

1424
00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,559
I'm not angry about it but I will just

1425
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,660
say shocked is the one word I was beyond

1426
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,700
shocked I was blown away when I when I

1427
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:55,559
learned that and I I later found out

1428
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:57,240
that other people I knew already knew

1429
00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:58,980
that but they were

1430
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,859
keeping it under wraps so yeah that was

1431
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:03,119
a shocker

1432
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,119
it was interesting well I know you're

1433
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:09,599
kind of digging into something related

1434
00:57:13,309 --> 00:57:10,800
to this

1435
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:13,319
um I know you can't share much but uh

1436
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:15,240
you're working on a new article we were

1437
00:57:19,329 --> 00:57:16,680
talking about it off air here right

1438
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,339
before we got on you are diligently

1439
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:21,660
researching and writing away

1440
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:24,059
um is there anything you can share on

1441
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:25,800
what might be coming up over there at

1442
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:28,680
the debrief oh yeah and it's not I don't

1443
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:30,059
want to give anybody a false impression

1444
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,760
like I'm about to reveal the secrets and

1445
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:34,859
you know I have the the Bob Lazar sports

1446
00:57:39,290 --> 00:57:37,079
model or something no it's nothing like

1447
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,300
that it's and it might sound a lot more

1448
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,760
mundane and perhaps even boring and I

1449
00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:43,680
apologize in advance but I think it will

1450
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:45,780
be important going forward we just

1451
00:57:49,730 --> 00:57:47,339
stayed in a new Congress as you know

1452
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:49,740
Following last year's midterm elections

1453
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:53,880
and it was a tumultuous process but when

1454
00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:55,559
control of one of the chambers changes

1455
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:57,240
hands as it did

1456
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:00,660
then the Staffing levels and the seat

1457
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:03,660
assignments on almost all of the

1458
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,160
Committees

1459
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,859
shifts not everybody changes but there

1460
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,480
is a shift because particularly in the

1461
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:11,339
house the majority gets more seats than

1462
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:15,260
the minority and that means including in

1463
00:58:20,089 --> 00:58:18,180
the uh Senate Intel the house

1464
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:20,099
intelligence committee more properly the

1465
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,540
permanent select committee on

1466
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:23,520
intelligence is the actual name

1467
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:26,280
um which is one of the two committees

1468
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:28,440
that's doing the heavy lifting with

1469
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:31,500
arrow and Witnesses and things like that

1470
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:35,099
and also on the armed services committee

1471
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:37,380
and Kristen Gilbert in the Senate

1472
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,859
version both both Chambers have uh those

1473
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:42,720
committees she's in the Senate version

1474
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:44,339
she's in both of them

1475
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:46,680
and there have been some members in the

1476
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:48,119
house in the Senate that have been very

1477
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:51,059
supportive of efforts uh to push

1478
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:53,579
disclosure forward and to create the

1479
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:55,380
arrow office and try to get to the

1480
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,940
bottom of all this there have been

1481
00:59:01,849 --> 00:58:59,520
others who are not so interested or in

1482
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:01,859
some cases are just frankly dismissive

1483
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:04,980
and when that shift happened I

1484
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:06,780
immediately started to wonder

1485
00:59:10,670 --> 00:59:08,579
we're going to be getting a bunch of new

1486
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:10,680
Republicans on those two committees in

1487
00:59:13,849 --> 00:59:11,579
the house

1488
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:13,859
and there's going to be a number of

1489
00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:16,200
Democrats who will be bumped because

1490
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,940
there aren't enough seats

1491
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:20,160
and I thought it would be interesting

1492
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,680
for everyone just in terms of projecting

1493
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:24,359
things I've been going through

1494
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,980
looking at which people have been added

1495
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,660
to those two committees in the house

1496
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:32,220
there's not gonna be a big change in the

1497
00:59:35,569 --> 00:59:33,720
Senate just so people know except for a

1498
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:35,579
couple people that retired

1499
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,740
um in the Intelligence Center

1500
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:39,420
enforcement committees I was looking at

1501
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:41,339
the new members who were added

1502
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,980
I've been researching that and the

1503
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,799
Democrats that we lost to see if any of

1504
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:49,200
them were the ones that were really

1505
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,940
supportive of this work and if we're

1506
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,799
getting any new people who are more like

1507
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:54,599
I don't want to talk about Little Green

1508
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,000
Men things like that because that could

1509
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,280
shift the balance on any votes in the

1510
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,440
future for the next ndaa so I think

1511
01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:02,640
that's going to be an important topic

1512
01:00:07,609 --> 01:00:05,579
and I'm trying to delve into that and I

1513
01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:07,619
hope people will

1514
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:10,440
um read that and enjoy it and if any of

1515
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:13,980
them are our representatives in areas

1516
01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:17,280
where you live I would hope we continue

1517
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,980
to encourage you to support the ones who

1518
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,680
are supporting

1519
01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:24,000
excuse me the work that they're doing

1520
01:00:29,329 --> 01:00:26,520
and the new office and if any of them

1521
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:29,339
are the really skeptical ones they'll

1522
01:00:32,809 --> 01:00:30,599
probably change their mind if they hear

1523
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:32,819
from enough of their own constituents so

1524
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:34,500
that's that's the main purpose I have in

1525
01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:36,180
that but I think it will be important

1526
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:37,740
for everyone to understand everyone

1527
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,380
interested in ufology interested in this

1528
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:42,720
whole subject to understand where the

1529
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,940
shifts are happening in the Senate I

1530
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:46,079
think we're okay we're not going to lose

1531
01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:49,319
Rubio we're not going to lose jailbrand

1532
01:00:56,030 --> 01:00:53,099
um unfortunately we might lose Galeo and

1533
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:56,040
you heard yeah and because his seniority

1534
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:58,680
is not that high and the Democrats are

1535
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,299
going to have to give up like five seats

1536
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:02,960
on that committee and if we lose him

1537
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:06,000
well then he loses his access to all of

1538
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:07,740
this and that's an important voice that

1539
01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:11,760
goes away you know so you know just stay

1540
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:13,619
tuned and keep your eye and for those of

1541
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:15,420
you who stay engaged and actually do

1542
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:16,980
contact your representatives and whatnot

1543
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,780
for whatever it's worth you know just

1544
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:20,160
say hey we need to keep the focus on

1545
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,440
this but yeah I will try to get an

1546
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,720
update to everybody for which seats they

1547
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,280
should probably be looking at and see if

1548
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:28,319
that affects them directly and how that

1549
01:01:31,309 --> 01:01:29,460
will affect the the conversation

1550
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:31,319
entirely and that's pretty much what

1551
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,700
it's going to be about so no I'm not

1552
01:01:37,309 --> 01:01:35,040
about to unleash an army of Grays or

1553
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:37,319
anything you know

1554
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:39,839
that's fair man well yeah no I agree

1555
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:42,660
with you I think you know we we had a

1556
01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:45,960
lot of forward momentum you know with a

1557
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,119
lot of the Congress people recently and

1558
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:49,680
a lot of that came from the UFO

1559
01:01:54,890 --> 01:01:51,540
Community you know kind of pressuring

1560
01:01:57,289 --> 01:01:54,900
them and in turn them pressuring the

1561
01:01:59,329 --> 01:01:57,299
government and um you know someone to

1562
01:02:02,030 --> 01:01:59,339
kind of pick up the reins on that is on

1563
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,040
UFO Twitter Katie Howland I highly

1564
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,839
suggest people go follow her on Twitter

1565
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:05,520
she's doing a lot of good work with that

1566
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,880
and you know contacting your reps and

1567
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:10,740
um you know there's still forms out

1568
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,619
there through The Black Vault

1569
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:15,480
um you know it might even still be up on

1570
01:02:19,789 --> 01:02:18,059
the UCR website if that's not defunct

1571
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,799
I'm not positive

1572
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:22,319
um where you can get standard like forms

1573
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:23,220
that you can send to your

1574
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,780
representatives to get them to try to

1575
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,359
look into this topic so definitely I

1576
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:29,280
haven't checked in a while but I do not

1577
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:31,859
believe there's two different sites

1578
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:33,299
there's the YouTube and there's a site

1579
01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:37,020
just uh for UCR but then there was the

1580
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:40,140
big phone home one two and three that

1581
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:41,640
had its own site and that's where all

1582
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:44,040
the forms are and I'll go check again

1583
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:45,900
after we finish the show

1584
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:48,359
um I last I and it wasn't that long ago

1585
01:02:51,410 --> 01:02:49,619
I did look because I had a question

1586
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:51,420
about one of those forms and it was

1587
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:53,040
still up so I don't

1588
01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:55,079
as far as I know it wasn't taken down so

1589
01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:57,240
yeah that may still be there and maybe

1590
01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:58,500
Ryan can stick something in the show

1591
01:03:02,569 --> 01:03:00,839
notes later yep yeah guys let me know in

1592
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,579
the chat if uh that you see our

1593
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:04,980
website's still up it is invaluable in

1594
01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:07,799
my opinion I hope it's still there

1595
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,299
um we'll find the forms for you no

1596
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,240
matter what um a couple uh listener

1597
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:14,160
questions here for you Jazz um if you

1598
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:16,380
don't mind sticking around cool cool

1599
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:19,559
um the first one comes from Ian he asks

1600
01:03:25,309 --> 01:03:22,920
why is he he did correct himself he

1601
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:25,319
meant why is Bigelow Skinwalker Ranch

1602
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:27,960
files still top secret do you have any

1603
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,660
thoughts on that on why that might be

1604
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:33,359
I would need a little more context Ian

1605
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:34,680
because

1606
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:35,280
um

1607
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,119
the stuff on the civilian side

1608
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:41,579
there's not much of it that's that's

1609
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,380
being withheld I mean you can follow

1610
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,839
Brandon fugel on Twitter he has tons of

1611
01:03:50,329 --> 01:03:48,180
links they have a website running where

1612
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:50,339
you can go sit and watch cameras 24 7.

1613
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,400
you know uh at Skinwalker Ranch they

1614
01:03:58,849 --> 01:03:55,500
reveal as much as they have time for in

1615
01:04:00,609 --> 01:03:58,859
their in their show when it comes out

1616
01:04:03,950 --> 01:04:00,619
um there were

1617
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:03,960
bits of things that went on there prior

1618
01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:07,319
to his ownership now all I think he's

1619
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,059
talking about all the stuff from when

1620
01:04:14,690 --> 01:04:12,000
Bigelow owned it that's not even class

1621
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:14,700
well there probably are and let's be

1622
01:04:18,049 --> 01:04:16,559
clear what's speculating here there

1623
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:18,059
probably are government files we don't

1624
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:19,260
know how to get them because we don't

1625
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:21,420
even know what to ask for

1626
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:23,700
um from that period nobody knew that was

1627
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:26,220
going on at the time outside of the

1628
01:04:32,030 --> 01:04:28,140
people that were directly involved and

1629
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,040
Bigelow is the one who refused to turn

1630
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,319
over any of his documents to Brandon

1631
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,720
when he bought the ranch how much of it

1632
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:38,640
he gave to the government is unknown he

1633
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:40,680
doesn't talk about it

1634
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:42,420
um whatever went on during Bigelow's

1635
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:45,599
tenure so I guess just to address Ian

1636
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:46,980
correctly

1637
01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:48,660
if there's any of it that's top secret

1638
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:50,940
that might be things that were

1639
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:53,940
documented and actually given to the

1640
01:04:58,970 --> 01:04:56,220
government as part of their agreement

1641
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:58,980
for OSAP and the 22 million dollars uh

1642
01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:01,260
they got to run OSAP

1643
01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:05,700
um shepherded through by Harry Reid so

1644
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:08,819
if there are any

1645
01:05:12,670 --> 01:05:11,400
quote government documents that are

1646
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:12,680
quote Top Secret

1647
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,200
I'm not aware of them Ian uh

1648
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,180
I've never been rejected on a request

1649
01:05:22,730 --> 01:05:20,640
because again we I I didn't really know

1650
01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:22,740
what to ask for most of the stuff that's

1651
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:25,140
secret and I'm using that one now with

1652
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:28,619
single quotes is just stuff that uh that

1653
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:30,540
Bigelow has and he's refused to share

1654
01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:32,339
with anyone so in a way that's secret

1655
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,200
but it's not the same as

1656
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,960
top secret secret and government terms

1657
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,880
if that's about the best answer I have

1658
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,559
if that helps I hope

1659
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:42,960
yeah for sure and I mean you know for

1660
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,880
anyone who wants anything that happened

1661
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,520
during the Bigelow days take it what for

1662
01:05:52,430 --> 01:05:49,920
what you will take check out skinwalkers

1663
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:52,440
at the Pentagon I mean again anecdotal

1664
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:54,839
just stories but um you know George

1665
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,000
knepp swears by a comb Kelleher to work

1666
01:06:01,370 --> 01:05:59,280
down the ranch during the Bigelow Days

1667
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:01,380
swearsed by a lot of these stories and

1668
01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:03,720
and I know that's controversial a lot of

1669
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,599
people don't buy any of it but um end of

1670
01:06:11,089 --> 01:06:08,640
the day it's interesting I'm a guy about

1671
01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:11,099
stories like that's my life so I love

1672
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:11,960
them

1673
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:15,359
but at the same time I think there's a

1674
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,460
lot of us who are kind of in the middle

1675
01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:20,160
ground in between John Greenwald I think

1676
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:22,140
has raised some very valid questions

1677
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:25,500
about the Bigelow era and about things

1678
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:27,480
that are in that book skin markers at

1679
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,700
the Pentagon which don't all match up

1680
01:06:32,930 --> 01:06:30,960
with some of the stuff that we've

1681
01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:32,940
learned later from government documents

1682
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,140
or other Witnesses and so yeah I think

1683
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:39,839
maybe sometimes people remember things

1684
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,420
differently or they they have a

1685
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:44,880
preferred Narrative of how to tell the

1686
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,680
story even though it's based in fact

1687
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,900
things that actually happened there are

1688
01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:50,880
misinterpretations we're talking almost

1689
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,579
two decades ago now you know and

1690
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:56,400
people's memories are not perfect so I

1691
01:06:59,930 --> 01:06:58,140
don't know I I agree with you let

1692
01:07:01,490 --> 01:06:59,940
everybody make up their own mind go take

1693
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,500
the information look at what the

1694
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:03,359
Skeptics are saying look what it says in

1695
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:04,980
the book and what's being said

1696
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:07,319
I I have no doubts there are kernels of

1697
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:10,559
Truth in all of it it may not all be you

1698
01:07:15,289 --> 01:07:12,780
know God's honest kernels you know and

1699
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:15,299
absolutely unrefutable but it was

1700
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:16,680
certainly an interesting era I've

1701
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:18,359
written a number of articles about that

1702
01:07:24,770 --> 01:07:21,900
era and the era in between uh Bigelow

1703
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:24,780
and the current owner and uh I still

1704
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:26,099
find the story fascinating and

1705
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,260
definitely definitely worth your time to

1706
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:30,000
look into if you have any interest in

1707
01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:33,359
this topic that's an interesting alley

1708
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:35,240
that you can go down

1709
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:37,380
interesting you're gonna have to fill me

1710
01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:39,660
in on the in between

1711
01:07:44,510 --> 01:07:42,359
times I'm not too familiar with that um

1712
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:44,520
can you link me to that article when you

1713
01:07:47,089 --> 01:07:45,720
get a chance I'll put it in the show

1714
01:07:48,890 --> 01:07:47,099
notes as well

1715
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,900
um yeah I'll look for it when we're done

1716
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:50,640
also I need to talk to you afterwards

1717
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:52,680
because we said that thing earlier about

1718
01:07:55,849 --> 01:07:54,539
Witnesses giving testimony I have

1719
01:07:57,529 --> 01:07:55,859
something I can't talk about on the air

1720
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,539
but I wanted to tell you about it and

1721
01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:59,760
get your feedback uh we should sure

1722
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,319
about that later

1723
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,839
um okay no I I know I know somebody who

1724
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:05,520
may be going to testify very soon

1725
01:08:10,849 --> 01:08:09,720
personally so okay you heard it here

1726
01:08:12,529 --> 01:08:10,859
first guys

1727
01:08:14,589 --> 01:08:12,539
um and maybe you'll hear about it in the

1728
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:14,599
future

1729
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:17,940
we'll know we're gonna know whether the

1730
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,580
he or they like it or not here's our

1731
01:08:23,950 --> 01:08:22,560
next listener question Jess

1732
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:23,960
um what is your stance on the ET

1733
01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:26,400
hypothesis oh one of my favorite

1734
01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:27,660
questions

1735
01:08:31,249 --> 01:08:29,460
um back when I was doing a lot more

1736
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:31,259
podcasts which I haven't been doing

1737
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:33,000
quite as much recently because of a

1738
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:34,980
change in my job

1739
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:35,640
um

1740
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:37,500
you know I got asked that all the time

1741
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:39,960
and I I probably if you asked me on four

1742
01:08:44,329 --> 01:08:41,699
different shows I would have three

1743
01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:44,339
different answers and one repeat

1744
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:45,420
um

1745
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,560
as far as who or what if anyone is

1746
01:08:54,769 --> 01:08:52,799
driving the UFOs and no I don't like

1747
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:54,779
saying UAB I still say UFOs all the time

1748
01:08:59,630 --> 01:08:56,040
sue me

1749
01:09:01,849 --> 01:08:59,640
uh I don't know I I mentioned this uh to

1750
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:01,859
Ryan while we were covering this I've

1751
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,540
never seen an aliens I've I've never

1752
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:05,759
seen any beings I've never seen anything

1753
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:07,500
like that all I just know there's weird

1754
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:10,440
crap flying around in the sky

1755
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:11,940
um so

1756
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,400
we all know the standard

1757
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,560
selection of choices to answer that

1758
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:19,440
question it could be our stuff that's

1759
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:21,480
being flown secretly and nobody's being

1760
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:24,600
told about it adversaries uh adversarial

1761
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:26,279
technology they've leapfrogged Us in

1762
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:28,500
some massive and I mean incredibly

1763
01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:30,600
massive way which doesn't make a lot of

1764
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,620
sense to me uh beyond that you get into

1765
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:36,799
um obviously eth is one

1766
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:39,060
extraterrestrials uh could be

1767
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,699
Underground

1768
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,920
terrestrial things non-human

1769
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,839
terrestrials that that's one Theory Time

1770
01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:48,000
Travelers is a big Theory it's us coming

1771
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,500
back from the future to see where things

1772
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,600
went so wrong and if I wanted to know

1773
01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:54,000
the answer to that question 2020 through

1774
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:55,860
2023 would probably be a good place to

1775
01:09:59,810 --> 01:09:57,300
look

1776
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,820
um something like that or trans

1777
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:01,920
dimensional does the universe have more

1778
01:10:05,689 --> 01:10:03,480
than three physical dimensions but we're

1779
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:05,699
not capable of seeing them there are

1780
01:10:10,189 --> 01:10:07,620
some long established theories that say

1781
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:10,199
that's true is it is it beings that

1782
01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:14,160
exist in you know these other dimensions

1783
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:16,020
primarily but occasionally they can slip

1784
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,340
through and that's why they're so hard

1785
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:19,199
to to find and they can come and go

1786
01:10:24,590 --> 01:10:22,260
things like that I I don't think we know

1787
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:24,600
enough to rule any of those out entirely

1788
01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:28,560
maybe in a hundred years or 500 years we

1789
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,360
will we're advancing pretty quick

1790
01:10:33,649 --> 01:10:32,280
technologically also

1791
01:10:35,209 --> 01:10:33,659
um stop and think about the fact that

1792
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,219
the first powered flight

1793
01:10:39,229 --> 01:10:37,920
is believed although it's been contrary

1794
01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:39,239
too many times to have happened in the

1795
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:41,400
very early 1900s less than 60 years

1796
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:44,040
later we're on the moon you know

1797
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:46,140
um we're coming along we might figure

1798
01:10:51,649 --> 01:10:48,420
some of this out if there's anybody out

1799
01:10:53,930 --> 01:10:51,659
there choose what out there means as you

1800
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:53,940
wish that had a thousand or a million

1801
01:10:58,669 --> 01:10:56,040
year head start on us who the hell knows

1802
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,679
but if I have to pick one

1803
01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:01,440
yes I think that extraterrestrials is

1804
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:03,719
the most likely uh an underground

1805
01:11:09,169 --> 01:11:06,719
civilization like lemuria seems like it

1806
01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:09,179
would be a lot harder to hide

1807
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,060
um for this long without any really good

1808
01:11:17,930 --> 01:11:14,880
documentable physical evidence

1809
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:17,940
time travel may be possible there are

1810
01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:19,739
scientists who speculate that it is

1811
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:22,679
reverse time travel much much harder

1812
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:24,600
than forward time travel if they're to

1813
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:27,000
be believed I'm not a physicist I don't

1814
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:28,140
know

1815
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,580
um it may turn out time travel is

1816
01:11:33,950 --> 01:11:31,440
totally doable so that could be a

1817
01:11:34,910 --> 01:11:33,960
possibility but I lean against it until

1818
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:34,920
we

1819
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:37,800
can figure out in a better way

1820
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:40,320
how with our understanding of the laws

1821
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:42,300
of physics which admittedly may be very

1822
01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:45,780
very wrong how that could be done and

1823
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:48,780
really for me all that really leaves is

1824
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:51,960
you know the Russians have anti-gravity

1825
01:11:56,030 --> 01:11:53,880
technology which would be pretty

1826
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:56,040
shocking because they're getting their

1827
01:12:01,130 --> 01:11:58,199
butts kicked by a third world nation

1828
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,140
Ukraine you know and if they've got any

1829
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:03,120
gravity I think Ukraine would have been

1830
01:12:09,470 --> 01:12:07,620
gone on day one you know so no I yeah

1831
01:12:11,870 --> 01:12:09,480
I'll go ahead and say it if I have to

1832
01:12:15,709 --> 01:12:11,880
pick I I've seen the things myself like

1833
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:15,719
I said if I had to pick who made the

1834
01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:17,340
technology that could make something

1835
01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:20,940
like that with no observable technical

1836
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,920
capabilities no wings no lift no

1837
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:24,960
propulsion no nothing be able to fly

1838
01:12:29,209 --> 01:12:27,000
through the air suddenly stop on a dime

1839
01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:29,219
and disappear from sight

1840
01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:31,980
I'm gonna go with ETS for now yeah it I

1841
01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:34,679
think it's probably the most likely one

1842
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:39,239
okay well I got it yes but not definite

1843
01:12:45,229 --> 01:12:43,320
not definite okay well how about uh

1844
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:45,239
how about dolphins

1845
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:47,219
oh

1846
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,800
you know I I put that in the show or the

1847
01:12:53,890 --> 01:12:51,840
uh thing when I was promoting it

1848
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:53,900
and said we could talk about dolphins

1849
01:13:00,530 --> 01:12:57,540
yes if nobody's ever read my article on

1850
01:13:03,229 --> 01:13:00,540
the Tic Tacs are created by the Dolphins

1851
01:13:04,970 --> 01:13:03,239
yeah that's still on the table too

1852
01:13:08,030 --> 01:13:04,980
is it unlikely

1853
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,040
well yes but they're all unlikely

1854
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:11,040
they're all unlikely possibilities you

1855
01:13:17,149 --> 01:13:15,600
know and if the Dolphins uh there's a

1856
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:17,159
subsection of dolphins that are highly

1857
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:18,780
technically advanced

1858
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,239
they had a 5 million year ahead start on

1859
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,760
us they were on the land five million

1860
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:25,199
years before we were and they have huge

1861
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:26,159
brains

1862
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,860
so yeah I wrote a massive article about

1863
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:30,960
that a while ago at the debrief and I

1864
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,940
mostly did it as a thought experiment

1865
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:35,040
so no it's not going to be number one on

1866
01:13:38,169 --> 01:13:36,659
my list but I won't write it off

1867
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,179
entirely because

1868
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,800
intelligent dolphins with telekinetic

1869
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:42,960
capabilities yeah that sounds pretty

1870
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:45,540
crazy but alien sounds pretty crazy too

1871
01:13:52,189 --> 01:13:48,120
until we actually find one

1872
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,199
you know so yeah sure Dolphins why not

1873
01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:54,480
why not there's got to be a reason so

1874
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:57,420
many UAP are seen around water too I I

1875
01:14:03,010 --> 01:14:00,540
honestly exactly buy into that so

1876
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,020
yeah make a video yeah

1877
01:14:07,970 --> 01:14:05,760
you watch the Dolphins uh working with

1878
01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:07,980
researchers in those pools all the time

1879
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:09,659
they're always trying to hump the girls

1880
01:14:14,990 --> 01:14:12,900
that are researching them so I I bear

1881
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:15,000
with me here for a moment could that be

1882
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:16,860
part of their hybrid program

1883
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:20,400
trying to create hybrids hmm think about

1884
01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:21,540
it

1885
01:14:24,850 --> 01:14:23,159
okay honestly don't think about that for

1886
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:24,860
too long

1887
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,239
oh God I'm gonna have some weird

1888
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:29,760
nightmares tonight thanks Chad

1889
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:32,640
um it's okay it's just dreams guys just

1890
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,340
dreams um all right this is a good

1891
01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:37,920
listener question I think to kind of

1892
01:14:45,229 --> 01:14:41,640
make it as recent as possible Jazz

1893
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:45,239
um Ryan Baker one of our our staunch

1894
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,800
supporters here at somewhere in the

1895
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:48,960
skies uh thank you for being here as

1896
01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:51,120
always throwing yes yes any problem

1897
01:14:57,229 --> 01:14:53,940
excuse me preliminary thoughts on the

1898
01:15:00,410 --> 01:14:57,239
recent racetrack uaps or the muscle or

1899
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,420
this Jeremy Corbell George nap drop that

1900
01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:02,880
just happened out of Iraq yeah you got

1901
01:15:07,729 --> 01:15:05,940
any thoughts on either of these cases uh

1902
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,739
both of course I followed all this stuff

1903
01:15:13,070 --> 01:15:09,840
I I have not seen any sufficient

1904
01:15:15,229 --> 01:15:13,080
debunking of the racetrack uaps that

1905
01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:15,239
would explain everything to me

1906
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:17,699
and there there's too many credible

1907
01:15:21,890 --> 01:15:18,960
people

1908
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:21,900
who have absolutely no reason to lie and

1909
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:25,440
who are are very good Observers you know

1910
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:27,659
um I I don't I have not seen a good

1911
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:31,440
explanation either terrestrial or exotic

1912
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:36,060
so as far as I'm concerned still unknown

1913
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:38,159
um but it's certainly a good candidate

1914
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:39,840
for this could be one of those weird

1915
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,860
things

1916
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:43,199
as far as the mosul one goes it's it's

1917
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:44,760
still pretty fresh

1918
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,900
I've looked at it I've um I've seen a

1919
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,400
couple really good analysis John

1920
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,800
Greenwald had one I won't go down the

1921
01:15:59,570 --> 01:15:54,480
whole list and Ryan you've already

1922
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,580
talked about this I think and it was um

1923
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:01,679
you know it's it's a four second clip

1924
01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:03,179
and we don't even have the whole four

1925
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:05,820
seconds and the thing the object of

1926
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:09,540
interest is there for one second like

1927
01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:11,880
I don't know 28 frames I believe

1928
01:16:17,630 --> 01:16:13,980
how many frames per second is filmed

1929
01:16:20,689 --> 01:16:17,640
right 27 28. that sounds about right

1930
01:16:23,570 --> 01:16:20,699
yeah yeah so we we've got somewhere

1931
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:23,580
between 25 and 30 frames

1932
01:16:26,930 --> 01:16:25,980
of this thing if you have the entire

1933
01:16:30,610 --> 01:16:26,940
clip

1934
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:30,620
yeah uh the location has been identified

1935
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,620
and confirmed so that part seems real it

1936
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:36,960
was taken from one of our spy planes the

1937
01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:39,600
HUD data on the video matches I went and

1938
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:42,659
checked uh for the type of camera that

1939
01:16:46,669 --> 01:16:45,060
was being used back then

1940
01:16:49,610 --> 01:16:46,679
um

1941
01:16:52,189 --> 01:16:49,620
what is it what are my thoughts

1942
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:52,199
well it's a big ball

1943
01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:55,320
and it looks metallic and shiny on the

1944
01:16:59,149 --> 01:16:57,179
top and at the time of day if you look

1945
01:17:02,030 --> 01:16:59,159
at the time on the screen that would

1946
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:02,040
have been when the sun was overhead and

1947
01:17:06,649 --> 01:17:04,380
would have been reflecting and

1948
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,659
could it be a balloon

1949
01:17:10,669 --> 01:17:07,920
um

1950
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:10,679
if we could get the whole film and if it

1951
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:12,179
looked like it was moving at the speed

1952
01:17:15,770 --> 01:17:14,040
of the current wind

1953
01:17:19,070 --> 01:17:15,780
sure there are balloons that are

1954
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:19,080
metallic looking that that's a thing but

1955
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:20,820
the description that goes along with it

1956
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:23,040
was that it was passing by and it was

1957
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,719
moving into tremendous rate of speed and

1958
01:17:28,130 --> 01:17:26,640
there was not a hurricane or tornado

1959
01:17:28,990 --> 01:17:28,140
currently blowing through muzzle at that

1960
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:29,000
time

1961
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,540
so I think it's a really good one

1962
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,040
but

1963
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:37,280
what was it you know

1964
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:40,199
if I can because I want everybody to get

1965
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:41,280
their money's worth when they're asking

1966
01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:43,260
questions I had some thoughts about this

1967
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:44,699
that I'll share with you Ryan and with

1968
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:46,920
the audience is that this is a really

1969
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,500
disappointing video once again and a lot

1970
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:51,360
of them are disappointing to me why is

1971
01:17:57,050 --> 01:17:54,780
it disappointing because we all those of

1972
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:57,060
us who are older grew up watching all

1973
01:18:01,610 --> 01:17:59,880
these movies you know uh where you know

1974
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:01,620
Steven Spielberg is doing things and the

1975
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,300
aliens arrive and they have these ships

1976
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:05,520
and they look like these gigantic things

1977
01:18:09,410 --> 01:18:07,380
that look like birthday cakes or cities

1978
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,420
in the air and the and they turn around

1979
01:18:14,209 --> 01:18:12,239
and turn over or there there's these big

1980
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:14,219
saucers and they glow and they spin and

1981
01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:16,620
they come down and and they have legs

1982
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,300
that come out and hashes that open and

1983
01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:19,679
beings come out and that's what we all

1984
01:18:23,870 --> 01:18:21,540
think of and then we get some actual

1985
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:23,880
government footage of an actual freaking

1986
01:18:31,370 --> 01:18:27,179
UFO and it looks like a stainless steel

1987
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,380
beach ball thanks guys you know you

1988
01:18:35,570 --> 01:18:33,360
could have at least put some lights on

1989
01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:35,580
it make it a little interesting make it

1990
01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:37,020
something we can use on the five o'clock

1991
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:39,719
news that's just my thought I'll share

1992
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,140
so I love it yeah no that's a very good

1993
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:45,600
point yeah you know in well let me get

1994
01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:47,400
your thoughts on this because this is

1995
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:49,320
another

1996
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:53,880
um kind of uh I guess Theory and this is

1997
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:56,760
just the beginning Jeremy Corbell

1998
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:59,040
um has stated that he and George Knapp

1999
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:01,980
their new podcast weaponized uh that

2000
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:04,020
they will be releasing more images more

2001
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:05,820
videos that have been given to Jeremy

2002
01:19:10,430 --> 01:19:08,820
and everyone wants to know I know I know

2003
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:10,440
but everyone wants to know Jazz why

2004
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,159
Jeremy and why why did they give him all

2005
01:19:20,350 --> 01:19:16,320
this stuff and most importantly in my

2006
01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:20,360
opinion uh why

2007
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:23,880
what reason are we getting the most ill

2008
01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:27,420
Iraq one is this has this been explained

2009
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:30,300
or is this still truly an unexplained

2010
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,820
now we know whatever Jeremy got was from

2011
01:19:37,729 --> 01:19:35,040
an educational you know presentation

2012
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,739
given that you know are these the

2013
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:39,360
rejects are these the ones that they

2014
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:40,739
wanted to test people with and be like

2015
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:43,020
oh no we know that's a puddle on the

2016
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,640
ground or we know that was a mylar

2017
01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:45,840
balloon

2018
01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:49,080
um but here here UFO Community you can

2019
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:52,020
have our little table scraps our rejects

2020
01:19:57,770 --> 01:19:55,500
um what do you think of that theory

2021
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,780
why Jeremy is the fundamental question

2022
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,800
right

2023
01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:03,709
okay we're getting into some dicey

2024
01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:05,699
territory but then again I'm an opinion

2025
01:20:11,149 --> 01:20:07,140
journalist I'm not afraid of dicey

2026
01:20:13,550 --> 01:20:11,159
territory we can go ahead I I believe I

2027
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,560
have two sides of an answer to that

2028
01:20:18,169 --> 01:20:15,360
question

2029
01:20:19,130 --> 01:20:18,179
um and for whatever it's worth and you

2030
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:19,140
know

2031
01:20:23,930 --> 01:20:22,020
place your own value on this

2032
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:23,940
on the one hand

2033
01:20:29,689 --> 01:20:26,640
Jeremy Corbell and his partner George

2034
01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:29,699
Knapp who have done so much very very

2035
01:20:34,510 --> 01:20:31,980
good valuable work over the years

2036
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,520
they have also

2037
01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:36,960
tended at times

2038
01:20:41,630 --> 01:20:40,020
to go in a very accepting manner towards

2039
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:41,640
some of the shall we just say more

2040
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:44,159
controversial uh claims that have been

2041
01:20:49,310 --> 01:20:47,940
made and aspects of ufology and we don't

2042
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:49,320
even have to say the name to know who

2043
01:20:54,010 --> 01:20:51,480
we're talking about primarily here

2044
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:54,020
um and so that that raises questions

2045
01:20:59,870 --> 01:20:56,640
immediately for some people and and with

2046
01:21:02,689 --> 01:20:59,880
good reason I will say at the same time

2047
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:02,699
if you go back and we'll invoke his name

2048
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,199
for probably the third time in this show

2049
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,480
and watch uh

2050
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:09,360
uh John greenwald's very recent thing on

2051
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:10,440
the mosul

2052
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:13,560
citing on this film

2053
01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:16,440
he also he delivers Jeremy Corbell

2054
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,699
delivers

2055
01:21:21,709 --> 01:21:19,679
and he has delivered things in the past

2056
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:21,719
everybody looked at was like wait what

2057
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:24,000
and then when you go ask the Pentagon

2058
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:26,219
they're like yeah that's real okay

2059
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:29,520
and he gets real stuff so it's not like

2060
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:32,940
Jeremy Corbell does not have

2061
01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:35,760
sources don't know who they are I don't

2062
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:37,560
have those kind of sources I'll tell you

2063
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:39,480
he's been doing it for a long time he's

2064
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:42,179
been cultivating sources and he has

2065
01:21:48,290 --> 01:21:46,380
meticulously avoided naming any of those

2066
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:48,300
sources ratting them out getting anybody

2067
01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:51,480
in trouble anything like that

2068
01:21:57,410 --> 01:21:54,780
and I think that builds trust in him so

2069
01:22:00,830 --> 01:21:57,420
he probably gets more sources that way

2070
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,840
so I'm inclined to believe personally

2071
01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:02,400
just my opinion

2072
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,380
that he's not putting out stuff that

2073
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:06,719
isn't real and when I say real I don't

2074
01:22:11,149 --> 01:22:08,340
mean automatically oh it's definitely

2075
01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:11,159
extra stuff no it's just a thing that

2076
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,600
actually happened

2077
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:14,400
and people inside the government had

2078
01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:15,960
evidence and they're willing to share it

2079
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:18,540
with him privately because it was

2080
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:21,060
classified and it couldn't be shared

2081
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:22,739
and

2082
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,920
so I I think this is real what was it

2083
01:22:30,169 --> 01:22:27,600
that was filmed Jeremy doesn't even

2084
01:22:32,689 --> 01:22:30,179
claim to say that he knows what it is

2085
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:32,699
you know it's a thing

2086
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:34,260
so

2087
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:39,239
of his conclusions

2088
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:42,060
but the material that he supplies the

2089
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:44,820
sources that the unnamed sources that he

2090
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:47,100
cites they do seem to be completely

2091
01:22:51,709 --> 01:22:50,460
legitimate so as far as I'm concerned I

2092
01:22:55,610 --> 01:22:51,719
think this is going to turn out to be

2093
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,620
completely real it is not outside the

2094
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:58,560
realm of possibility that and I already

2095
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:01,920
know three people including me

2096
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:05,040
um who have wrote written I've sent in

2097
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:07,260
requests to get the Pentagon to comment

2098
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:10,320
and say is this legitimate you know it

2099
01:23:14,570 --> 01:23:12,900
did this come from you originally I

2100
01:23:16,370 --> 01:23:14,580
don't know if they'll answer so far we

2101
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,380
haven't gotten any answers but it's

2102
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:18,480
better than getting a no answer because

2103
01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:20,940
they're still waiting or maybe they just

2104
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:22,739
don't want to talk about it

2105
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,679
but I I hope that answers uh The

2106
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:27,120
Listener question

2107
01:23:32,630 --> 01:23:28,980
um I I think

2108
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:32,640
it's pretty remarkable although it'd be

2109
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:34,199
cooler if it looked like something from

2110
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,780
Steven Spielberg it's certainly

2111
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,699
unexplainable if it's actually flying in

2112
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:40,800
a straight line and not falling I don't

2113
01:23:47,209 --> 01:23:43,040
see how it's doing it

2114
01:23:49,490 --> 01:23:47,219
and I would go very very high percentage

2115
01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:49,500
that it's real I think Jeremy has proven

2116
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:53,100
himself over and over again that he

2117
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:54,420
doesn't put something out until he's

2118
01:23:58,430 --> 01:23:55,679
ready to put it out he could have been

2119
01:24:00,770 --> 01:23:58,440
sitting on this for years years because

2120
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:00,780
he sat on stuff for years before until

2121
01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:03,540
the source was okay and until everything

2122
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:05,100
he thought was cool and it was okay to

2123
01:24:10,270 --> 01:24:06,239
do that

2124
01:24:13,310 --> 01:24:10,280
and I it's it's probably real

2125
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:13,320
and he'll probably be proven correct yet

2126
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:14,760
again

2127
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:17,640
it doesn't mean he's proven quote aliens

2128
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,400
or anything just that it's real it was a

2129
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,560
thing that the military saw

2130
01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:25,199
and that's where I am right now how's

2131
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:26,280
that

2132
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:29,580
I love it I love it no um I mean you

2133
01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:32,760
know I I can full disclosure I've worked

2134
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:34,679
with Jeremy in the past on

2135
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,920
whatever television projects podcasts

2136
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:39,840
um I consider him a friend a colleague

2137
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:43,980
and uh I can say like he is good at what

2138
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:47,460
he does whether you buy into you know

2139
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:50,159
what he does or the hype he creates or

2140
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:52,739
the content he produces

2141
01:24:55,729 --> 01:24:54,120
um that's a whole different thing the

2142
01:24:57,530 --> 01:24:55,739
fact of the matter is we're talking

2143
01:24:59,330 --> 01:24:57,540
about it here tonight people are talking

2144
01:25:01,250 --> 01:24:59,340
about it all over mainstream media is

2145
01:25:04,189 --> 01:25:01,260
starting to pick up on it

2146
01:25:06,169 --> 01:25:04,199
um you know you know once Joe Rogan sees

2147
01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:06,179
this it's gonna blow up even more he

2148
01:25:10,370 --> 01:25:07,980
probably already has

2149
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,380
um the fact of the matter is Jeremy is

2150
01:25:15,229 --> 01:25:12,960
always proven right and I think uh uh

2151
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:15,239
John Greenwald did make a good point you

2152
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,860
know does it take him half a year to do

2153
01:25:21,709 --> 01:25:18,960
it yeah but look these things take time

2154
01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:21,719
and um everything yeah they do brought

2155
01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:24,420
forward uh either the Pentagon has

2156
01:25:29,090 --> 01:25:25,980
confirmed

2157
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:29,100
um or you know he's delivered and

2158
01:25:33,709 --> 01:25:30,900
they're they're not as quick this time

2159
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:33,719
to admit yup yup it is

2160
01:25:37,610 --> 01:25:36,300
um hopefully that will change soon oh

2161
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,620
you remember like the Greek the green

2162
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:39,120
triangle thing that he released right

2163
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:41,820
yeah right

2164
01:25:48,649 --> 01:25:44,880
it was totally confirmed now does that

2165
01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:48,659
mean that it wasn't maybe some bokeh

2166
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:50,940
whatever they call that and maybe it was

2167
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,679
something conventional and the sailors

2168
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,960
didn't realize that we don't have those

2169
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:56,880
answers but it was legitimate it came

2170
01:26:02,090 --> 01:25:59,340
from the military and that also got

2171
01:26:03,770 --> 01:26:02,100
confirmed you know if I I'll go ahead

2172
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:03,780
and just say the name just get it out of

2173
01:26:08,270 --> 01:26:04,800
the way because we're never going to

2174
01:26:09,410 --> 01:26:08,280
avoid it if it weren't for the fact that

2175
01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:09,420
he and George

2176
01:26:14,510 --> 01:26:12,060
have been so wedded to Bobble Zorro this

2177
01:26:18,410 --> 01:26:14,520
time if you took that picture out of the

2178
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,420
equation I think both Jeremy and Bob uh

2179
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:20,639
Jeremy Corbell uh

2180
01:26:24,649 --> 01:26:22,260
and George Knapp

2181
01:26:26,990 --> 01:26:24,659
would be and and they already are don't

2182
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:27,000
don't misrepresent me but they would be

2183
01:26:32,209 --> 01:26:29,360
almost one of the just most pristine

2184
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,219
Crystal examples of when you get

2185
01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:34,080
something from them you can take this to

2186
01:26:37,610 --> 01:26:34,980
the bank

2187
01:26:39,709 --> 01:26:37,620
and it may turn out I I will still say

2188
01:26:41,930 --> 01:26:39,719
this with all honesty although I find it

2189
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:41,940
so hard to believe they may be proven

2190
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:44,400
right about Bob Lazar someday they might

2191
01:26:49,629 --> 01:26:47,520
it just it sounds more improbable than

2192
01:26:52,610 --> 01:26:49,639
anything I could imagine but they might

2193
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,620
and and when I see all the other stuff

2194
01:26:56,689 --> 01:26:54,719
they've delivered that turned out to be

2195
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:56,699
true who who were the first people to

2196
01:27:00,290 --> 01:26:58,320
come up with the stuff about Harry Reid

2197
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,300
being attached to all this happen ate up

2198
01:27:05,629 --> 01:27:02,880
all right you know it it was George damp

2199
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:05,639
you know so many examples they have

2200
01:27:12,350 --> 01:27:08,940
delivered so often over and over again

2201
01:27:13,610 --> 01:27:12,360
and and I think they kind of carry sort

2202
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:13,620
of a weight around their shoulders with

2203
01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:15,179
the bobbles our thing which has never

2204
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:18,179
been proven out yet uh there's nothing

2205
01:27:23,149 --> 01:27:20,760
that that backs up except the fact that

2206
01:27:25,610 --> 01:27:23,159
he was there at for a period at some

2207
01:27:26,990 --> 01:27:25,620
point doing God only knows what but

2208
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:27,000
nothing with the flying sausage or

2209
01:27:31,610 --> 01:27:29,340
anything that's never come through and I

2210
01:27:34,010 --> 01:27:31,620
I understand the people who are Skeptics

2211
01:27:35,570 --> 01:27:34,020
who say well if you if you're pushing

2212
01:27:37,490 --> 01:27:35,580
the Bible's our story then you must be

2213
01:27:39,890 --> 01:27:37,500
full of crap I don't say that about

2214
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:39,900
either of them they they deliver they

2215
01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:42,900
deliver on a regular basis and stuff

2216
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:44,760
that gets proven out admitted by the

2217
01:27:49,610 --> 01:27:47,880
government absolutely so

2218
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:49,620
I know I've dug a hole for myself right

2219
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,520
now because you're not supposed to say

2220
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:52,080
bad things about levels are or good

2221
01:27:56,810 --> 01:27:54,480
things about levels are but that's where

2222
01:28:00,169 --> 01:27:56,820
I am I hope that answers the question

2223
01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:00,179
thou Who Shall Not Be Named right well

2224
01:28:05,810 --> 01:28:02,940
I'm I'm one of those just Rebels man I'm

2225
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,820
gonna go ahead and say the words

2226
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,159
I love it man well hey

2227
01:28:12,530 --> 01:28:10,560
say a few more words for us we're going

2228
01:28:14,270 --> 01:28:12,540
to wrap things up here guys that kept

2229
01:28:16,189 --> 01:28:14,280
you longer than I promised Jazz we

2230
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:16,199
covered a lot

2231
01:28:23,209 --> 01:28:19,679
um again guys the heck out of it this

2232
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:23,219
was great man um I knew if I had you you

2233
01:28:27,169 --> 01:28:25,080
on we didn't have to prepare too much

2234
01:28:30,590 --> 01:28:27,179
because I knew we could talk forever

2235
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:30,600
um and we did and um man this is one of

2236
01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:33,600
my most high viewed live streams live in

2237
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:35,820
a very long time so thank you Jazz thank

2238
01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:37,260
you for that

2239
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:39,000
um let me ask you again saw me on

2240
01:28:42,649 --> 01:28:40,440
Twitter and tuned in no we really

2241
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:42,659
appreciate it and we really go ahead and

2242
01:28:46,729 --> 01:28:44,820
say it one more time before Ryan asked

2243
01:28:49,070 --> 01:28:46,739
me to close out if you can pitch in and

2244
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:49,080
help the show please do I don't have my

2245
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,300
own show so I don't take donations but

2246
01:28:55,129 --> 01:28:53,280
the people that I work with the people

2247
01:28:58,490 --> 01:28:55,139
that I go on and do interviews with

2248
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,500
these people put in an insane amount of

2249
01:29:01,729 --> 01:29:00,000
work and personal expense in the

2250
01:29:04,189 --> 01:29:01,739
background I'm not just talking about

2251
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:04,199
Ryan a lot of great shows I know you

2252
01:29:08,450 --> 01:29:06,060
follow them all out there I follow

2253
01:29:10,669 --> 01:29:08,460
Ryan's every week I don't endure first

2254
01:29:12,590 --> 01:29:10,679
things that I don't use I have not

2255
01:29:14,450 --> 01:29:12,600
missed an episode somewhere in this guys

2256
01:29:18,290 --> 01:29:14,460
probably in four years

2257
01:29:20,030 --> 01:29:18,300
and you know no every time it's it's in

2258
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:20,040
my pod feed I don't listen to it the

2259
01:29:24,110 --> 01:29:21,480
same day it comes out depends on my

2260
01:29:26,330 --> 01:29:24,120
schedule but I listen to them all and

2261
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:26,340
everybody really he puts so much into

2262
01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:28,560
this so if you have it in your heart if

2263
01:29:30,830 --> 01:29:30,060
you have a little extra I know times are

2264
01:29:32,450 --> 01:29:30,840
tough

2265
01:29:34,729 --> 01:29:32,460
kick in help him out a little bit

2266
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,739
because he's doing this all for you and

2267
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,960
for the vast majority of us he does it

2268
01:29:40,430 --> 01:29:38,880
absolutely for free so if you can help

2269
01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:40,440
please do

2270
01:29:46,669 --> 01:29:43,860
thanks buddy um I should mention I just

2271
01:29:48,350 --> 01:29:46,679
got this new microphone today

2272
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:48,360
um it came in the mail my my old

2273
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:51,300
microphone finally finally bit the dust

2274
01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:53,520
rest in peace old sure Mike but I got

2275
01:29:57,709 --> 01:29:55,500
the new sure Mike here

2276
01:29:59,930 --> 01:29:57,719
um but yeah you know these things cost

2277
01:30:02,330 --> 01:29:59,940
money so anything you guys can chip in

2278
01:30:04,490 --> 01:30:02,340
does truly help and it all goes right

2279
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:04,500
back into the show I'm not buying a

2280
01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:07,199
Lamborghini I'm not you know sipping on

2281
01:30:12,110 --> 01:30:09,960
lattes on your dime it goes back into

2282
01:30:14,450 --> 01:30:12,120
doing what we do and let's talk about

2283
01:30:16,250 --> 01:30:14,460
UFOs here on YouTube and on the podcast

2284
01:30:18,350 --> 01:30:16,260
spoiler alert he already has three

2285
01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:18,360
Lamborghinis so I got three Lambos

2286
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:19,800
parked outside

2287
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,300
um I just have to learn how to drive on

2288
01:30:26,090 --> 01:30:23,280
the other side of the road before I kill

2289
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:26,100
anybody here in the UK

2290
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:26,880
um

2291
01:30:31,850 --> 01:30:29,520
uh Jazz this has been awesome brother

2292
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:31,860
thank you guys all of his articles are

2293
01:30:37,850 --> 01:30:33,960
linked in the show notes below check

2294
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:37,860
them out but before I let you go Jazz

2295
01:30:42,050 --> 01:30:39,360
um let us know where we can find

2296
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:42,060
everything else you're up to and any

2297
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:43,679
lesser words you want to say to the

2298
01:30:50,990 --> 01:30:49,490
um as far as where you can find me I

2299
01:30:52,490 --> 01:30:51,000
don't have a show of my own people

2300
01:30:54,649 --> 01:30:52,500
always ask me and it's like I always see

2301
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,659
you on on YouTube and doing all this UFO

2302
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:56,400
stuff well yeah that's because other

2303
01:30:59,149 --> 01:30:58,320
people invite me I don't actually have a

2304
01:31:03,350 --> 01:30:59,159
show

2305
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,360
so don't bother um I'll ask I'll send

2306
01:31:08,090 --> 01:31:04,800
Ryan a link to my YouTube channel

2307
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:08,100
there's like five videos on there uh six

2308
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,920
five of them are UFOs we saw and one of

2309
01:31:15,169 --> 01:31:13,199
them was a pigeon that was acting really

2310
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:15,179
weird so that's what you get on my

2311
01:31:18,290 --> 01:31:17,040
YouTube channel so don't be expecting a

2312
01:31:20,450 --> 01:31:18,300
lot

2313
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:20,460
um you can follow me on Twitter at

2314
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:24,000
Joshua j a z z s h a w uh you can go to

2315
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:27,360
hotair.com uh any day of the week you'll

2316
01:31:33,530 --> 01:31:30,000
see me writing articles there I do write

2317
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:33,540
pretty frequently about UFO stuff when

2318
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:35,040
there's something in the news that

2319
01:31:39,050 --> 01:31:37,320
involves Congress the rest of it's

2320
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,060
mostly politics you may like it you may

2321
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:41,520
not you can ignore all that stuff

2322
01:31:45,950 --> 01:31:43,380
um but like Ryan said I have another ufr

2323
01:31:49,490 --> 01:31:45,960
coming up shortly so we'll see how that

2324
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:49,500
goes and aside from that I mean I I

2325
01:31:52,729 --> 01:31:50,880
don't really use Facebook or anything

2326
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:52,739
else so those are really the places to

2327
01:31:58,129 --> 01:31:55,800
look for me or just look for me popping

2328
01:31:59,090 --> 01:31:58,139
up occasionally on various shows where

2329
01:32:02,169 --> 01:31:59,100
people want me to come out and talk

2330
01:32:06,050 --> 01:32:02,179
about UFOs which I'm always happy to do

2331
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:06,060
and that's about it really and I

2332
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:08,159
appreciate Ryan having me on I had a

2333
01:32:10,850 --> 01:32:09,540
great time today and I'm always

2334
01:32:13,310 --> 01:32:10,860
available

2335
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:13,320
I love it man no it was my pleasure

2336
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,360
truly an honor I'm gonna put you in the

2337
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:17,760
green room here say good night to the

2338
01:32:22,970 --> 01:32:20,159
audience and uh we'll chat backstage

2339
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:22,980
after that sound good all right

2340
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:24,900
all right I'll see you in just a sec

2341
01:32:32,930 --> 01:32:27,600
guys once again Jazz Shaw thanks for

2342
01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:35,870
all right guys that was just Shaw I

2343
01:32:41,390 --> 01:32:38,520
again I I it's been a long time coming

2344
01:32:43,729 --> 01:32:41,400
and he finally made his solo debut here

2345
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,739
on the show so it was a pleasure it was

2346
01:32:47,870 --> 01:32:45,360
an honor I can't wait to see what he's

2347
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:47,880
cooking up over at the debrief so be

2348
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:49,679
sure to check out all his articles in

2349
01:32:55,370 --> 01:32:52,860
the show notes below check him out on uh

2350
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:55,380
Twitter as well and that's all I got for

2351
01:32:58,129 --> 01:32:56,400
you guys

2352
01:32:59,870 --> 01:32:58,139
um we've got a special live stream this

2353
01:33:02,030 --> 01:32:59,880
Sunday for somewhere in the live stream

2354
01:33:05,209 --> 01:33:02,040
a new series we're doing here on YouTube

2355
01:33:06,770 --> 01:33:05,219
every Sunday at 4 P.M Eastern Standard 9

2356
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:06,780
p.m UK time

2357
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:10,320
finally Chrissy Newton is coming back my

2358
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:13,980
co-pilot is finally landed and uh we're

2359
01:33:18,590 --> 01:33:15,600
gonna be doing a really special live

2360
01:33:22,490 --> 01:33:18,600
stream for you guys this Sunday so be

2361
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:22,500
sure to subscribe hit the Bell like all

2362
01:33:26,510 --> 01:33:24,900
that stuff we'll see you on Sunday

2363
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,520
um but again thank you to all of you who

2364
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:28,560
showed up tonight this is a fantastic

2365
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:31,260
episode I'm really happy

2366
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:34,199
um that all you guys joined us and uh

2367
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:37,440
with that I am going to say good night

2368
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:40,320
I'll see you on Sunday and I'll see you

2369
01:33:44,090 --> 01:33:41,880
on Monday as well for a brand new

2370
01:33:47,050 --> 01:33:44,100
episode of the summer in this guy's

2371
01:33:49,129 --> 01:33:47,060
podcast which is all about operation

2372
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,139
saucer that's right we're going to

2373
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:51,840
Brazil to look at all of the crazy cases

2374
01:33:55,550 --> 01:33:53,760
that have happened in Brazil throughout

2375
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:55,560
the decades so be on the lookout for

2376
01:34:00,050 --> 01:33:58,320
that and as always keep your feet on the

2377
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:00,060
ground but never stop searching

2378
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:02,330
somewhere in the skies

2379
01:34:04,490 --> 01:34:03,000
[Music]

2380
01:34:06,610 --> 01:34:04,500
[Applause]

2381
01:34:44,270 --> 01:34:06,620
foreign

2382
01:34:46,020 --> 01:34:44,280
[Music]